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greetings and salutations friends and

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welcome back to truth seekers i am your

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host as always stephen campion bringing

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you

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uh some of the strangest mysteries on

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the internet and uh you all know we do

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this a lot we cover the ufo topic

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uh honestly i'm not sure how much longer

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i'm gonna keep covering the ufo topic

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considering how it's kind of imploding

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in on itself lately

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um

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but i wanted a chance to talk to

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some people and continue these ufo

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reports and maybe bring in a different

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perspective

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and certainly maybe some with much more

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experience into investigating and

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researching this phenomenon than me

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so

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we're going to continue to do that

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i have been pleased and delighted to

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have some of the best guests

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and people that you know i make lists of

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people that i would really like to talk

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to and tonight's guest

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is has been on my list for quite some

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time she has a very no-nonsense approach

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and is willing to go after the truth

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even if it's an ugly one

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so without further ado tonight uh

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welcome to the ufo report we'll bring in

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our special guests here from ufos

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declassified erica lukes

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hello and finally we actually get to

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talk

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on camera it's a miracle i know it's

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like a fun video chat but i'm going to

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share it with the world because i'm

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selfish and stupid like that

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i do this all the time some of my

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friends are like can't we just talk on

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the phone and i'm like no whatever we're

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going to talk about other people are

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going to want to hear this you know what

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it's true and i mean and you and i have

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had great conversations you know off the

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air and and things and i've followed

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your work and i i love your sense of

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humor and the way

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you know you you call people on on on

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their nonsense

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you know which i think is important you

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know i love well you're doing your fair

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share of that lately and i noticed that

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i think you're doing more of it lately i

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think than you have in the in the past

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you know and your coverage has sort of

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gone a similar art to me i think because

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we're playing these midnight irish show

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replays which are from six years ago

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and when i hear the difference in my

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level of belief

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of some of these topics and cases and

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things versus now i'm a little shocked

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that i i've gone that far

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you know people people beat me up like

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oh he's a heartless skeptic i didn't

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start out that way you know well that's

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the funny thing i mean it's like and i

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in fact i was talking to somebody who's

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just started to follow my work and he's

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like well you had your show and you were

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on with a bunch of skeptics just like

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no those are actually realists they're

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people that you know

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have have looked into this for so long

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that they realize there's a lot of you

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know 99 of its absolute garbage and and

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i hate to say that and yeah we have been

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and discovery process and i think it's

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been able to do that and to have

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the people behind the scenes helping me

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with the historical kind of uh

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aspect of things because and you've got

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and i love scott and i've gotta yeah he

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is amazing shout out to scott scott a

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great researcher and he is uh

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he is very tenacious when he starts

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digging into a subject and i love and

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respect that

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and i love and respect scott he's you

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guys make a good team thank you thank

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you even though i thought he took my job

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i was like i should have got that gig

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who's this scott britt when you did that

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i mean you're used to scott brown you

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can film be my gig exactly you could

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feel i mean he's he's pretty wonderful

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and things that have been a couple of my

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really closest allies and that's that's

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an important thing when you're in a

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to be in and i think a lot of people

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understand that but they quickly

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get their backsides handed to them and

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figure it out and they either can deal

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with it or not and it's yeah i've seen a

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lot of i've seen a lot of people start a

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ufo podcast in the past five years and

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almost none of them are still here

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that the subjects got hugely popular and

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a lot of people said you know i'm really

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into this i'm gonna do a podcast and

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then a year later they're like i had

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enough this is crazy yeah and that's sad

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because it should be you know it should

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be a fun there should be some fun to it

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i'm trying to keep it fun that's why no

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let's have yeah let's have like a fun

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little too serious

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when i'm just hammering away on fake

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things constantly i go you know i have

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to remind myself there's still good

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researchers out there and there's still

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people that are you know

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enough interested in this to care about

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the truth and not you know fairy tale

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stories but i wanted to ask you

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because i've never heard why

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you you seem

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similarly obsessed with this topic that

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what is it that got you so interested

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and started down this rabbit hole

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well you know i've been a nerd my whole

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life and i

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nerd flag you know proudly and so i

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remember being i have a hard time

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believing that no you look more like you

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were the cheerleader girl

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or something then this is a funny story

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my grandmother

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sixth grade halloween dressed me as a

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gnome and i was a foot taller than any

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of the girls with glasses and braces and

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my meanjo green you know jersey on i

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you know like gigantic

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things oh my gosh i'll find it remember

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well she passed away but i know that

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she's oh sorry you know that she was

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probably laughing hysterically you know

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when i'm standing there posing as a

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garden gnome and

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and you know things and i'm i'm with the

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all the girls dressed as cute

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cheerleaders and i'm this awkward oaf

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you know it was like i was just that's

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that was me i was the girl back in in

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grade school where i'm like okay meet me

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out on the track after school and i'm

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going to kick your butt

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and when i had my vans on and my you

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know 501s with the split up the side and

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i would so ufos just became an extension

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of your nerdy and geeky other interests

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like maybe science fiction and some

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other stuff you were into yep so i you

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know i mean i picked up a book off the

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grade school off the shelf in the grade

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school library and it was dale white

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you know is there something up there and

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i just looked at this you know cover and

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i'm like you know whoa what is this and

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it was you know and then and then it was

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a you know book about bigfoot or a book

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about ghosts and and i always was

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by the unknown by that you know part of

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us and battlestar galactica and

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not that i'm showing my age at all but i

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mean it's just like some of these um

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some of these shows and then the x-files

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and and things and so it was always

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really fascinating for me and i love

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that that aspect of exploring mysteries

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and understanding that we're not ex

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we're not we don't know everything

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you know there are things that are

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learning about you know our reality

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about our planet about the solar system

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i mean we will always be making

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discoveries and so i can't

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sit here and tell anybody that this is

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where it begins and ends

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there's a mystery out there or right

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here that we agree on you know and so

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and how do we

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how do we get to how do we

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you know especially now that you and i

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have been we've kind of jumped down a

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couple rabbit holes how do we get

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and try to find

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the truth instead of jumping on the

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bandwagon with people that have inserted

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narratives

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into the the subject so they can make

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money and and no money's a big thing we

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got to get them ufo dollars and you and

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i are you know what i've been thinking

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about lately i've been thinking that

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some things just aren't fair because it

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seems like that there's some there

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should be two classifications of people

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that are uf so-called ufo researchers or

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authors lectures whatever you want to

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call ufo people there should be

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classifications because

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there are some people that are willing

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to just use fake sources dead sources

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child molester sources murderer sources

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for alien stories right and they get

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huge numbers make lots more money than

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someone like you or i because we have

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this particular handicap like we're not

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willing to go to do that

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you know but at some point you you had

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it go from just reading these things and

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researching these things to injecting

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yourself and becoming more part of the

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story how did that begin you know what i

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i did i um and i just want to say that

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hello to everybody in the chat room i

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mean i you've got a great group of

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people here so it's really fun to see

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yes and i wanted to mention that i i

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screwed up and i spelled her name with k

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we fixed it i apologize names are

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important i don't know why but to me in

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my brain you were erica with a k

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because that's more exotic or something

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i don't know okay

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but no we fixed it though thank you no

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that i appreciate that and um you know i

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i used to love i mean there was a period

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of time when i loved you know the

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paranormal i mean i was i went i went to

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the whaley house you know 15 years ago

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when i rented the whole thing

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and oh that's amazing a group of my

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friends this is when they were still

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doing this took a group of my friends

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and and the tour guide locked us in

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there and said good luck turned off the

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lights and i mean we just had

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and so i love you know i love and i went

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over to ireland i had to go over there

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for some business to england and then i

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went to ireland with my girlfriends and

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we stayed in all the haunted castles

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down the middle of ireland and so we

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were in leb castle we were in kennedy

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castle and i was oh that's cool

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gosh it was so much fun just to hear

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hear the stories but then to hear

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you know well we actually did this for

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tourism

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you know

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to get people to stay at the hotel so we

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just made all this stuff up about the

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ghosts so people will come and stay here

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that's what some of them are it was

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pretty funny but he was but he was

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honest a different i mean so i

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appreciated that but i mean i i thought

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that was a fun fascinating thing and

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then i um in

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2013 i had a series of of

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strange sightings over the salt lake

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valley and and i wanted to know what

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that was about and so i became

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active and mufon

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and then i became the state director for

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mufon and then

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you know what

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hey i have repented and and done all

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that i could do but i mean i began very

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quickly noticing in mufon you know first

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of all

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in utah there was

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a lack of of data which i found very

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interesting and elaine douglas who was

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the state director before

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i became state director she passed away

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but she had

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experienced some things she she felt

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like that she was being monitored

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she was also doing a lot of digging into

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robert bigelow

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and digging into mufon's connection with

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bigelow

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and

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that was a very interesting thing so i

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took over for her and i noticed that

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there were cases that were missing

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um cases had been changed

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um i wasn't being told you know if i

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would ask jan harzan okay what have you

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done after 50 years with all the data

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where is it what have you guys done

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well i mean it was nothing

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you know i mean yeah and i've heard

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varying reports of like somebody got

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metal samples or something like that and

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they didn't even care

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and and uh he wanted them to do like

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some kind of scientific analysis on the

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metal samples his name escapes me and i

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apologize

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but it just seems so ridiculous and

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funny to me that some organization that

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wants to get to the truth behind the

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mystery may have metal samples from one

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of the craft and nobody and this guy's

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like calling up the chain going

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what are we doing here

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let's get these metal samples and they

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didn't want to do it they did not want

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to pay

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to get the metal samples analyzed or

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find out what they were or proved that

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they were of earthly origin or not or

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any of that and it struck me as funny

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and then the later revelations about

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jan harzian being a creeper you know

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it you know it's just not it's just not

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good and then they replace they've

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george jan harzone gets arrested for

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attempting to solicit sex from what he

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thought was a 13 year old girl i don't

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know what's going on with the case but

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then after that they give the reins to a

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guy who runs sex tours in las vegas

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where you can go

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bang your girlfriend on his airplane

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well right am i right like that's the

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new guy

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you know the new old guy he's been there

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for quite some time and and i think you

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can find different articles about him

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which i think is is fascinating flamingo

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air is the organization

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his group and he there's one specific

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article i think from about five or six

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years ago

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it might have been in vice magazine

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where he was interviewed and he was

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saying that he's taking kids on their

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first rides

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uh where they're you know i mean saying

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some things about well you could bring

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up you know your animal you know

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whatever you do behind closed the closed

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curtain is up to you and it was you know

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you read some of those quotes that are

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out there and you think

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okay i certainly you know hopefully

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wouldn't be saying things like that in

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public and and you know why in the world

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when you had

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that the arrest of jan harzan and then

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the the that person who was chosen to

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replace

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him in the middle of a scandal

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uh there's a guy that's great yeah he

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had some connection to the sex industry

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which is fine look i'm fine with that

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but putting that guy in charge right

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after a sex scandal in your

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international organization

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is

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think but you know what i think the

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thing that's so crazy is it works

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because nobody said anything and the

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handful of people that have said things

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have been you know people that are not

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you know i mean

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like us that get harassed and bullied

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and you know whatever to all this crap

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and and so it's because we bother to

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talk about it i think it's an important

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issue though and it's something that

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should be discussed

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and another issue is

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where does all this money go you get you

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got paid to play in that and they take

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money from people they give you a little

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paper that says you're now a ufo

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investigator if you take a class with

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them and you know you pay your dues

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every year and like i i don't know what

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the where the money goes or you know

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you know i think it's interesting and i

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think that's one thing that they could

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have i mean there are a lot of you can

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hide a lot of things and that was

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another area that that elaine douglas

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was interested in because she felt that

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there was

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something going on with the financial

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aspect

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and and mufon might have been doing

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things that weren't up to snuff and

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those were her beliefs and feelings and

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interestingly enough i was supposed to

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inherit all of her

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archive all of her work and that was

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thwarted by jan harzan and another

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person who stepped in at the last minute

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and took all of all of

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her work and they're sitting in the

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basement god knows you know doing what

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um

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keeping people safe

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they're burning it that's what they're

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doing yeah i mean so it was just

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fascinating

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yeah who knows but i think that it it

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you know it's interesting you have you

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know these different there it's a

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non-profit i mean there it's you got

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you know the organization

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here and then you've got all these

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chapters that are supposed to be non

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nonprofits and they can do

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whatever they want there's really not a

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lot of people holding

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at the upper levels holding these

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chapters accountable or

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holding them to specific guidelines that

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if i had an organization i would be

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making sure that my organization and the

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people involved were were upholding

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certain ethical and and

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moral guidelines you know that's what

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you do for the integrity in a

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professional business world is what you

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do for the integrity of an organization

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i would not be supporting racists uh or

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people that

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things and that was another scandal that

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somebody had made

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i'm not gonna mention his name whatever

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you know

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i i i

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haven't spoken to him since that you

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know and uh that's another scandal i

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suppose so so but i guess after a while

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and move after being a part of mufon

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yourself you just said this isn't

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something i want to invest time or money

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in anymore you know what i was i had

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some really interesting experiences and

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i think if you go out if you i know if

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you go out there and google uh mufon

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and uh um gosh was it newsweek magazine

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mufon newsweek you'll find an article

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where it was quoted

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back when the scandal happened with john

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ventry and that was that gives a little

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bit of my background of why

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i chose to let to leave the organization

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with uh quite the bang you know me i'm

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such a quiet demure little flower if

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something happens i'd definitely cower

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in the corner

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and don't talk about it but this was

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this was important and i also want to

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just go on there and say that i did

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recently two weeks ago i spoke for uh

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mufon

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i found an article and you spoke for

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them they're still on friends well

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because you know what well there are

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some chapters that i have a lot that i

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really i like uh and they're good people

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running the organization i think they

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understand

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that or the the chapter and i think they

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understand that there are things that

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are are wrong

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uh there and so uh yeah it's as long as

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people are willing to acknowledge that

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there's problems that should be

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addressed i don't see you know you

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shouldn't have to like not speak to

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somebody just because they're a member

520
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or whatever but you should be free to

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express your opinions about that

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organization that they're a part of

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without getting in a fight or an

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argument right right you would think and

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i i mean it just goes back to leadership

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again you know you have to have strong

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leaders um

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and and i think that mufon

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highlights the organization highlights

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the type of field that we're in

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um it's a field full of people who are

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misogynistic who are racist who are uh

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you know i mean really there's some real

534
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problems anti-semites i i mean it's

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they're

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people that are distrusting of the

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government they're all sorts of um

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interesting people that gravitate to

539
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the subject and as a result

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these i think people get manipulated and

541
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push down roads for a specific agenda

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and i i think that to me is very

543
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frightening and that's something that i

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i will always continue to talk about

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because

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this is the the prime place to

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manipulate

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people

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and it's not good and unless we start

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pulling our head out we're we're going

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to see a lot more damage

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as a result and i also think and i talk

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about as you know my show a lot about

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some of the different conferences and

555
00:22:03,190 --> 00:22:01,520
people that are speaking

556
00:22:05,590 --> 00:22:03,200
and people that are promoting these

557
00:22:07,110 --> 00:22:05,600
cult-like belief systems and you have

558
00:22:09,270 --> 00:22:07,120
people that have had

559
00:22:10,630 --> 00:22:09,280
sightings that are very profound and

560
00:22:13,830 --> 00:22:10,640
traumatic

561
00:22:15,750 --> 00:22:13,840
and and they're struggling to make

562
00:22:17,909 --> 00:22:15,760
sense of what they've seen

563
00:22:20,310 --> 00:22:17,919
and they end up you know like some of us

564
00:22:23,830 --> 00:22:20,320
we we end up turning to the ufo

565
00:22:25,270 --> 00:22:23,840
community and the ufo community is is

566
00:22:26,710 --> 00:22:25,280
full of people that have maybe have

567
00:22:27,430 --> 00:22:26,720
mental illness

568
00:22:31,909 --> 00:22:27,440
and

569
00:22:35,270 --> 00:22:33,510
i know that you get some of the same

570
00:22:36,950 --> 00:22:35,280
kind of emails that i get for people

571
00:22:38,230 --> 00:22:36,960
that want to tell you their story and

572
00:22:40,230 --> 00:22:38,240
some of it is

573
00:22:41,669 --> 00:22:40,240
like please you know seek a mental

574
00:22:43,110 --> 00:22:41,679
health professional

575
00:22:45,830 --> 00:22:43,120
you know there's like

576
00:22:47,909 --> 00:22:45,840
targeted individuals kind of fall in and

577
00:22:49,510 --> 00:22:47,919
right and it is sad i mean and to me

578
00:22:51,110 --> 00:22:49,520
it's like when i go to

579
00:22:53,510 --> 00:22:51,120
you know when i when i was still on the

580
00:22:54,549 --> 00:22:53,520
speaking circuit

581
00:22:55,990 --> 00:22:54,559
um

582
00:22:58,149 --> 00:22:56,000
because now i'm on the

583
00:23:00,710 --> 00:22:58,159
b list not even the b list i'm way down

584
00:23:03,510 --> 00:23:00,720
there um but you know yeah but have you

585
00:23:05,669 --> 00:23:03,520
heard of ufo hot because i got to tell

586
00:23:07,029 --> 00:23:05,679
you if you've been to a ufo conference

587
00:23:08,950 --> 00:23:07,039
you you know

588
00:23:10,630 --> 00:23:08,960
it's a different world there and like

589
00:23:13,750 --> 00:23:10,640
you know

590
00:23:15,590 --> 00:23:13,760
to what are you talking about b-list you

591
00:23:16,870 --> 00:23:15,600
got to be a-list on everyone just

592
00:23:17,990 --> 00:23:16,880
because you know

593
00:23:19,590 --> 00:23:18,000
no no no

594
00:23:22,950 --> 00:23:19,600
some of these people that are in there

595
00:23:24,789 --> 00:23:22,960
talking no trust me i have i i have i've

596
00:23:27,430 --> 00:23:24,799
been on stage with them and i think some

597
00:23:29,909 --> 00:23:27,440
of them are good people but i think

598
00:23:32,310 --> 00:23:29,919
for the most part it's it's a collective

599
00:23:35,350 --> 00:23:32,320
group of people who have made money off

600
00:23:37,669 --> 00:23:35,360
the subject off of spinning narratives

601
00:23:39,750 --> 00:23:37,679
and off of creating an atmosphere that

602
00:23:41,750 --> 00:23:39,760
is really unhealthy and and like i

603
00:23:43,830 --> 00:23:41,760
mentioned you go to these conferences

604
00:23:45,990 --> 00:23:43,840
and you see people who've had ufo

605
00:23:48,149 --> 00:23:46,000
experiences and they're there to try to

606
00:23:50,310 --> 00:23:48,159
understand and here they are being

607
00:23:51,990 --> 00:23:50,320
pushed into a conference room where

608
00:23:54,870 --> 00:23:52,000
every morning at 6 30 you're going to do

609
00:23:57,029 --> 00:23:54,880
a daily meditation and a group hypnosis

610
00:23:58,230 --> 00:23:57,039
and then the people there you know the

611
00:24:01,190 --> 00:23:58,240
people that are going to tell you that

612
00:24:03,909 --> 00:24:01,200
you are special that you have uh you

613
00:24:06,310 --> 00:24:03,919
know that you you are receiving messages

614
00:24:07,990 --> 00:24:06,320
from benevolent space brothers

615
00:24:09,590 --> 00:24:08,000
and things and that you know you're here

616
00:24:11,669 --> 00:24:09,600
to save the planet

617
00:24:13,590 --> 00:24:11,679
but yet make sure you don't wear a mask

618
00:24:15,110 --> 00:24:13,600
and make sure you don't take the vaccine

619
00:24:28,950 --> 00:24:15,120
you know and so it's like oh we don't

620
00:24:32,950 --> 00:24:31,190
right exactly exactly exactly and i

621
00:24:35,029 --> 00:24:32,960
think that's the thing that is

622
00:24:37,430 --> 00:24:35,039
you know you know yeah there's this

623
00:24:39,110 --> 00:24:37,440
weird subset in there that's somehow

624
00:24:40,870 --> 00:24:39,120
infiltrated

625
00:24:42,230 --> 00:24:40,880
it's always been it has always been

626
00:24:45,669 --> 00:24:42,240
there and i will tell you well i would

627
00:24:48,070 --> 00:24:45,679
say think no you see i did a sort of

628
00:24:50,470 --> 00:24:48,080
just in my own mind analysis of these

629
00:24:52,549 --> 00:24:50,480
issues and just decided that a lot of

630
00:24:55,190 --> 00:24:52,559
these people are very distrustful of the

631
00:24:56,630 --> 00:24:55,200
government so it's almost natural that

632
00:24:58,470 --> 00:24:56,640
they would be against something that the

633
00:25:01,110 --> 00:24:58,480
government is telling you to do even if

634
00:25:04,470 --> 00:25:01,120
science supports this is probably for

635
00:25:06,950 --> 00:25:04,480
most people a good idea you know

636
00:25:09,750 --> 00:25:06,960
and i've never understood the coverings

637
00:25:12,549 --> 00:25:09,760
because to me it's like it can't hurt if

638
00:25:14,070 --> 00:25:12,559
it can't hurt i'm okay with it i still

639
00:25:17,110 --> 00:25:14,080
to this day even though they're not

640
00:25:19,750 --> 00:25:17,120
required in my area if i'm going indoors

641
00:25:22,870 --> 00:25:19,760
anywhere i put one on i think it's just

642
00:25:24,870 --> 00:25:22,880
smart people do that i mean i mean it's

643
00:25:27,669 --> 00:25:24,880
i'm loving this though because

644
00:25:30,230 --> 00:25:27,679
since this began i think that i got a

645
00:25:32,070 --> 00:25:30,240
slight sore throat once

646
00:25:34,789 --> 00:25:32,080
and that's it i know i didn't i used to

647
00:25:36,710 --> 00:25:34,799
get sick i used to get colds and flus

648
00:25:38,710 --> 00:25:36,720
and get sick four or five times a year

649
00:25:39,430 --> 00:25:38,720
because i have children that you know

650
00:25:42,710 --> 00:25:39,440
they

651
00:25:45,990 --> 00:25:42,720
bring it home and then you get it and i

652
00:25:48,630 --> 00:25:46,000
have not gotten majorly sick we're ill

653
00:25:50,549 --> 00:25:48,640
since this began and but then i'm also

654
00:25:52,390 --> 00:25:50,559
taking a lot of supplements vitamin d

655
00:25:53,430 --> 00:25:52,400
and zinc and all these other supplements

656
00:25:55,190 --> 00:25:53,440
every day

657
00:25:57,190 --> 00:25:55,200
try to get my immune system up maybe

658
00:25:58,230 --> 00:25:57,200
that i don't know what happened but i'm

659
00:26:00,549 --> 00:25:58,240
liking it

660
00:26:02,149 --> 00:26:00,559
well i i am too and i think you know for

661
00:26:03,750 --> 00:26:02,159
me it's just like i

662
00:26:05,830 --> 00:26:03,760
i think you know and i have friends i

663
00:26:07,590 --> 00:26:05,840
mean i have a pilates studio i'm in the

664
00:26:09,029 --> 00:26:07,600
health and wellness and you know

665
00:26:12,310 --> 00:26:09,039
industry i love

666
00:26:14,390 --> 00:26:12,320
uh you know i love i mean i meditation i

667
00:26:16,390 --> 00:26:14,400
think there's so many cool

668
00:26:18,149 --> 00:26:16,400
aspects to things you know and yeah but

669
00:26:20,470 --> 00:26:18,159
it's like stay in your lane right if i

670
00:26:23,190 --> 00:26:20,480
go to a ufo conference i want to hear

671
00:26:25,430 --> 00:26:23,200
about ufos i want to hear about this new

672
00:26:27,669 --> 00:26:25,440
age gobbledygook fortunately it's all

673
00:26:28,870 --> 00:26:27,679
it's all mixed in it's awesome

674
00:26:30,789 --> 00:26:28,880
i've always been there if you just go

675
00:26:32,630 --> 00:26:30,799
back and and i can sit back here and

676
00:26:34,990 --> 00:26:32,640
i've got a whole whole thing of fate

677
00:26:37,430 --> 00:26:35,000
magazines back there yeah the standing

678
00:26:38,950 --> 00:26:37,440
rock in the 50s and 60s with the

679
00:26:42,390 --> 00:26:38,960
contacts

680
00:26:43,590 --> 00:26:42,400
space brother let's meditate for peace

681
00:26:45,750 --> 00:26:43,600
i mean which is

682
00:26:48,149 --> 00:26:45,760
you know i mean

683
00:26:49,590 --> 00:26:48,159
it's but it's you know like i said and

684
00:26:51,350 --> 00:26:49,600
you look at the who's paying for

685
00:26:53,110 --> 00:26:51,360
advertising space

686
00:26:56,630 --> 00:26:53,120
in some of these magazines that have

687
00:26:58,630 --> 00:26:56,640
been there for 40 50 years and well

688
00:27:01,269 --> 00:26:58,640
i mean you know i could say a lot of

689
00:27:03,110 --> 00:27:01,279
cookie stuff yeah i mean and and a lot

690
00:27:04,950 --> 00:27:03,120
of uh things i'm not even gonna say

691
00:27:07,269 --> 00:27:04,960
because i'm already on the

692
00:27:09,190 --> 00:27:07,279
you know the bad girl list but i i think

693
00:27:12,070 --> 00:27:09,200
it's just important

694
00:27:14,390 --> 00:27:12,080
erica is a bad girl i know you hear that

695
00:27:15,830 --> 00:27:14,400
did you hear that i was yes i i've been

696
00:27:17,830 --> 00:27:15,840
caught i wanted to tell you something

697
00:27:19,590 --> 00:27:17,840
funny i had some other

698
00:27:22,310 --> 00:27:19,600
some other content create or something

699
00:27:23,990 --> 00:27:22,320
get made at me or something and uh he

700
00:27:26,789 --> 00:27:24,000
made a video saying that he was going to

701
00:27:27,830 --> 00:27:26,799
get me blacklisted from the entire ufo

702
00:27:29,269 --> 00:27:27,840
community

703
00:27:39,669 --> 00:27:29,279
and i felt like saying like do you know

704
00:27:44,789 --> 00:27:42,389
what a threat you must have been scared

705
00:27:46,710 --> 00:27:44,799
i'm so scared

706
00:27:49,430 --> 00:27:46,720
and i just want to say alien girl i love

707
00:27:51,510 --> 00:27:49,440
i think you rock too so just yeah we

708
00:27:53,510 --> 00:27:51,520
just had her last week and i'm happy to

709
00:27:55,830 --> 00:27:53,520
say that we helped her get a little bit

710
00:27:57,350 --> 00:27:55,840
of a bump i'm not taking any

711
00:27:59,510 --> 00:27:57,360
i'm not taking much credit for it but

712
00:28:00,870 --> 00:27:59,520
she got over her thousand magic youtube

713
00:28:02,710 --> 00:28:00,880
numbers that she needed to get so

714
00:28:03,909 --> 00:28:02,720
congratulations to alien girl because

715
00:28:06,230 --> 00:28:03,919
i'd like to see

716
00:28:08,389 --> 00:28:06,240
more women involved in this and more

717
00:28:10,549 --> 00:28:08,399
female perspectives

718
00:28:12,310 --> 00:28:10,559
at the risk of getting every time i say

719
00:28:14,470 --> 00:28:12,320
something like that somebody shows up in

720
00:28:16,950 --> 00:28:14,480
the comments going sipping much

721
00:28:18,870 --> 00:28:16,960
you know like some nasty you know

722
00:28:21,029 --> 00:28:18,880
oh i got called the soy boy too for

723
00:28:23,590 --> 00:28:21,039
hosting women here so

724
00:28:25,350 --> 00:28:23,600
boy there's that and anybody that knows

725
00:28:27,190 --> 00:28:25,360
what does that even mean i don't it

726
00:28:29,510 --> 00:28:27,200
means that you're like you know you eat

727
00:28:30,549 --> 00:28:29,520
a lot of soy i guess and you know you're

728
00:28:32,789 --> 00:28:30,559
like uh

729
00:28:34,789 --> 00:28:32,799
you're like a feminist male and i don't

730
00:28:36,789 --> 00:28:34,799
know oh okay okay sorry let's take a

731
00:28:39,190 --> 00:28:36,799
look at me it's taking me a minute it's

732
00:28:41,590 --> 00:28:39,200
a derogatory term yeah it's definitely

733
00:28:43,350 --> 00:28:41,600
derogatory term and i'm like okay i

734
00:28:45,430 --> 00:28:43,360
thought i did something good inviting

735
00:28:47,269 --> 00:28:45,440
women as well as men here right go get a

736
00:28:49,669 --> 00:28:47,279
[\h__\h] like i don't check tell me how it

737
00:28:51,669 --> 00:28:49,679
is i don't check anybody's uh you know

738
00:28:53,430 --> 00:28:51,679
private parts before booking them here

739
00:28:56,070 --> 00:28:53,440
so i don't know if i gotta

740
00:28:58,950 --> 00:28:56,080
ask permission right

741
00:29:03,029 --> 00:28:58,960
well it just goes to show how many what

742
00:29:04,470 --> 00:29:03,039
up weirdos bored people you know

743
00:29:06,070 --> 00:29:04,480
and you know i don't want to put you on

744
00:29:07,990 --> 00:29:06,080
the spot but we have to talk about some

745
00:29:09,990 --> 00:29:08,000
of this angelis stuff because people

746
00:29:11,750 --> 00:29:10,000
want an update and this could be a quick

747
00:29:14,789 --> 00:29:11,760
one so

748
00:29:16,630 --> 00:29:14,799
people are people are posting

749
00:29:18,630 --> 00:29:16,640
somebody's and i'm kind of upset not

750
00:29:21,830 --> 00:29:18,640
upset or angry at anybody but people are

751
00:29:24,230 --> 00:29:21,840
literally doxing some person who

752
00:29:26,549 --> 00:29:24,240
at first what there was a confirmation

753
00:29:28,230 --> 00:29:26,559
that that was the person and uh you know

754
00:29:29,830 --> 00:29:28,240
i spoke to him and i believe that was

755
00:29:32,310 --> 00:29:29,840
the person that she's referencing and

756
00:29:34,870 --> 00:29:32,320
now people are posting names and

757
00:29:37,990 --> 00:29:34,880
addresses and locations and she's saying

758
00:29:40,310 --> 00:29:38,000
no that's not the right mountain and uh

759
00:29:41,750 --> 00:29:40,320
doing a 180 on many other things so i

760
00:29:43,190 --> 00:29:41,760
don't know what to think of the story

761
00:29:44,789 --> 00:29:43,200
and how it's progressing but i do want

762
00:29:47,909 --> 00:29:44,799
to mention if you're one of those people

763
00:29:49,350 --> 00:29:47,919
posting some guy's address on twitter

764
00:29:50,789 --> 00:29:49,360
maybe don't do that because you don't

765
00:29:53,510 --> 00:29:50,799
know what kind of nutters you're going

766
00:29:55,510 --> 00:29:53,520
to draw to his home that's his home

767
00:29:57,590 --> 00:29:55,520
first of all and yeah and you wouldn't

768
00:30:01,190 --> 00:29:57,600
want people doing that to you you know i

769
00:30:03,110 --> 00:30:01,200
mean that's definitely not not a good

770
00:30:04,549 --> 00:30:03,120
good look but

771
00:30:06,710 --> 00:30:04,559
and i've had that i've had that happen

772
00:30:08,710 --> 00:30:06,720
i'm sure you have too i've had so many

773
00:30:10,710 --> 00:30:08,720
uh people

774
00:30:13,669 --> 00:30:10,720
over the years you know come out and

775
00:30:15,510 --> 00:30:13,679
talk about my family and and you know

776
00:30:17,669 --> 00:30:15,520
different things that are just you just

777
00:30:19,510 --> 00:30:17,679
sit there and go holy crap yeah i wanted

778
00:30:21,190 --> 00:30:19,520
to mention that too i can share an email

779
00:30:23,510 --> 00:30:21,200
with you later erica it's not that

780
00:30:25,750 --> 00:30:23,520
important but it is important because

781
00:30:28,149 --> 00:30:25,760
some people before this people started

782
00:30:31,350 --> 00:30:28,159
posting this information on twitter were

783
00:30:34,710 --> 00:30:31,360
very nasty to me in emails like can you

784
00:30:37,750 --> 00:30:34,720
uh give me the the location i won't tell

785
00:30:39,190 --> 00:30:37,760
anybody and i'm like i told this woman i

786
00:30:41,590 --> 00:30:39,200
gave her my word that i would not

787
00:30:44,310 --> 00:30:41,600
release any of the research that we had

788
00:30:46,389 --> 00:30:44,320
collectively the three three of us

789
00:30:47,190 --> 00:30:46,399
and and more really contributing to it

790
00:30:48,310 --> 00:30:47,200
but

791
00:30:52,789 --> 00:30:48,320
so

792
00:30:54,870 --> 00:30:52,799
that were like

793
00:30:57,509 --> 00:30:54,880
you don't really have this information

794
00:30:59,269 --> 00:30:57,519
but i sent it all to you right

795
00:31:00,870 --> 00:30:59,279
before they interview so just for

796
00:31:04,470 --> 00:31:00,880
verification

797
00:31:07,190 --> 00:31:04,480
this information is real and i had it at

798
00:31:09,830 --> 00:31:07,200
before the interview right correct so

799
00:31:12,870 --> 00:31:09,840
then we get nailed to

800
00:31:15,110 --> 00:31:12,880
is it the guy or is it not the guy

801
00:31:18,389 --> 00:31:15,120
and people are finding other guys that

802
00:31:20,470 --> 00:31:18,399
may be the guy but so far no one matches

803
00:31:22,870 --> 00:31:20,480
any of the things she talked about in so

804
00:31:25,269 --> 00:31:22,880
far as owning a construction company

805
00:31:28,230 --> 00:31:25,279
being very wealthy and

806
00:31:29,269 --> 00:31:28,240
being uh and owning a mountain on his

807
00:31:31,269 --> 00:31:29,279
property

808
00:31:33,430 --> 00:31:31,279
no other matches

809
00:31:35,509 --> 00:31:33,440
not that close of a match there's people

810
00:31:37,750 --> 00:31:35,519
that we've other people have found that

811
00:31:39,750 --> 00:31:37,760
own a construction company but that

812
00:31:42,389 --> 00:31:39,760
so far there's no proof that those

813
00:31:44,389 --> 00:31:42,399
individuals own a mountain so what do

814
00:31:47,430 --> 00:31:44,399
you make of all this back and forth and

815
00:31:48,870 --> 00:31:47,440
is this the guy is this not the guy

816
00:31:50,389 --> 00:31:48,880
there's other people by the way

817
00:31:52,630 --> 00:31:50,399
television producers that are

818
00:31:55,269 --> 00:31:52,640
threatening to fly drones over

819
00:31:57,909 --> 00:31:55,279
or are flying drones over for all i know

820
00:32:00,230 --> 00:31:57,919
the these people's property and i i

821
00:32:02,149 --> 00:32:00,240
don't know about the legalities of that

822
00:32:03,750 --> 00:32:02,159
you know what i will tell you that i

823
00:32:05,190 --> 00:32:03,760
have had so much of my own personal

824
00:32:07,590 --> 00:32:05,200
stuff going on

825
00:32:09,990 --> 00:32:07,600
that i have not paid attention

826
00:32:12,830 --> 00:32:10,000
um because i have to talk to scott too

827
00:32:14,870 --> 00:32:12,840
because he has some more information

828
00:32:17,029 --> 00:32:14,880
yeah developments yeah i have not that's

829
00:32:20,230 --> 00:32:17,039
not been my bag because i just you know

830
00:32:21,590 --> 00:32:20,240
for me um dealing with the skinwalker

831
00:32:23,430 --> 00:32:21,600
stuff and

832
00:32:26,230 --> 00:32:23,440
and how that's affected my life

833
00:32:28,070 --> 00:32:26,240
personally and yeah we can get into that

834
00:32:30,470 --> 00:32:28,080
we all have our focus and that seems to

835
00:32:32,149 --> 00:32:30,480
be a big focus of yours and that was and

836
00:32:34,230 --> 00:32:32,159
it will be because there's something

837
00:32:37,669 --> 00:32:34,240
rotten in denmark there rotten and

838
00:32:39,029 --> 00:32:37,679
roosevelt utah um but i you know that

839
00:32:41,029 --> 00:32:39,039
tell us a little bit about why you

840
00:32:43,590 --> 00:32:41,039
believe that there's tell us a little

841
00:32:45,029 --> 00:32:43,600
bit about your research into this why

842
00:32:47,909 --> 00:32:45,039
you believe that there's something not

843
00:32:49,830 --> 00:32:47,919
in there because i

844
00:32:52,549 --> 00:32:49,840
from from some of the things that i have

845
00:32:54,310 --> 00:32:52,559
found and this has never been my focus

846
00:32:56,789 --> 00:32:54,320
i've always went yeah

847
00:32:59,350 --> 00:32:56,799
uh you know indian reservation right

848
00:33:01,430 --> 00:32:59,360
nearby all these mountains uh maybe

849
00:33:04,389 --> 00:33:01,440
seismic activity maybe magnetic

850
00:33:06,389 --> 00:33:04,399
anomalies causing hallucinations

851
00:33:09,110 --> 00:33:06,399
uh maybe there's something really

852
00:33:11,110 --> 00:33:09,120
powerful crap yeah maybe people making

853
00:33:13,430 --> 00:33:11,120
up a bunch of stories maybe there's

854
00:33:15,430 --> 00:33:13,440
something to it but you know

855
00:33:18,070 --> 00:33:15,440
i don't see a billionaire studying it

856
00:33:19,750 --> 00:33:18,080
for years and then selling it

857
00:33:22,230 --> 00:33:19,760
as a good indication that there's a

858
00:33:24,950 --> 00:33:22,240
genuine phenomenon there worthy of

859
00:33:28,549 --> 00:33:24,960
keeping the place why did he offload it

860
00:33:30,310 --> 00:33:28,559
well i don't see a billionaire buying

861
00:33:32,310 --> 00:33:30,320
the property and doing absolutely

862
00:33:35,509 --> 00:33:32,320
nothing to study it

863
00:33:38,389 --> 00:33:35,519
and not only that but creating a myth a

864
00:33:40,230 --> 00:33:38,399
myth known as skinwalker ranch now uh

865
00:33:42,070 --> 00:33:40,240
you know i mean what what what what

866
00:33:43,750 --> 00:33:42,080
happened there was no equipment there

867
00:33:46,470 --> 00:33:43,760
there's there have been no i thought

868
00:33:47,990 --> 00:33:46,480
they were studying it

869
00:33:49,990 --> 00:33:48,000
that well i'm not quite sure what they

870
00:33:51,509 --> 00:33:50,000
were doing other than pretending we

871
00:33:53,590 --> 00:33:51,519
don't have no release we don't have any

872
00:33:56,389 --> 00:33:53,600
release data well i can tell you if i

873
00:33:58,549 --> 00:33:56,399
have if i had right over here by me or

874
00:34:01,590 --> 00:33:58,559
i've got a stack

875
00:34:04,789 --> 00:34:01,600
this big of the reports during the bas

876
00:34:07,430 --> 00:34:04,799
days from the security guards and other

877
00:34:08,869 --> 00:34:07,440
trained military professionals

878
00:34:10,950 --> 00:34:08,879
that were there and if that's the best

879
00:34:12,790 --> 00:34:10,960
that we've got to offer after 22 million

880
00:34:14,869 --> 00:34:12,800
then we are totally in trouble and we

881
00:34:16,069 --> 00:34:14,879
should be asking for an investigation to

882
00:34:18,310 --> 00:34:16,079
look into

883
00:34:20,389 --> 00:34:18,320
what happened at skinwalker ranch and i

884
00:34:22,230 --> 00:34:20,399
will say that i think we absolutely that

885
00:34:25,990 --> 00:34:22,240
there absolutely is something

886
00:34:28,149 --> 00:34:26,000
shady going on uh there is no there was

887
00:34:30,790 --> 00:34:28,159
no equipment you can hear from the

888
00:34:32,550 --> 00:34:30,800
testimony of dr eric davis you can hear

889
00:34:34,069 --> 00:34:32,560
from all of the people that were

890
00:34:35,109 --> 00:34:34,079
involved that they were never given good

891
00:34:37,909 --> 00:34:35,119
equipment

892
00:34:40,389 --> 00:34:37,919
um the cameras that were there what five

893
00:34:41,750 --> 00:34:40,399
or six of them

894
00:34:44,710 --> 00:34:41,760
you know yeah i mean there were fake

895
00:34:47,669 --> 00:34:44,720
fake cameras installed by uh

896
00:34:49,430 --> 00:34:47,679
security guards uh there the the cords

897
00:34:52,470 --> 00:34:49,440
were cut early out of the gate so you

898
00:34:53,750 --> 00:34:52,480
could never get any uh information but

899
00:34:55,349 --> 00:34:53,760
yet you have a lot of people that are

900
00:34:57,270 --> 00:34:55,359
making money and let me just ask you if

901
00:35:00,550 --> 00:34:57,280
this is a secretive

902
00:35:02,470 --> 00:35:00,560
uh study of something and we are keeping

903
00:35:04,310 --> 00:35:02,480
it out of the public then you don't

904
00:35:06,550 --> 00:35:04,320
write a book about it

905
00:35:08,790 --> 00:35:06,560
you don't have to write

906
00:35:11,430 --> 00:35:08,800
about it

907
00:35:13,430 --> 00:35:11,440
all of these people coming from all over

908
00:35:15,349 --> 00:35:13,440
and hey you know i mean spinning this

909
00:35:18,150 --> 00:35:15,359
myth and let me just say too

910
00:35:19,510 --> 00:35:18,160
yeah the the dino dino beaver uh charles

911
00:35:20,950 --> 00:35:19,520
is

912
00:35:23,510 --> 00:35:20,960
you know which i just love the dino

913
00:35:24,870 --> 00:35:23,520
beaver but you don't i mean it's like

914
00:35:26,310 --> 00:35:24,880
and then i was i've been thinking about

915
00:35:28,390 --> 00:35:26,320
this it's like we have people that you

916
00:35:29,750 --> 00:35:28,400
know you've got the skinwalker

917
00:35:35,510 --> 00:35:29,760
uh

918
00:35:37,030 --> 00:35:35,520
and people are

919
00:35:39,750 --> 00:35:37,040
in my last show people were a little

920
00:35:41,109 --> 00:35:39,760
upset because i was talking about this

921
00:35:42,829 --> 00:35:41,119
with relation to the new book

922
00:35:45,270 --> 00:35:42,839
skinwalkers at the

923
00:35:47,829 --> 00:35:45,280
pentagon um

924
00:35:48,710 --> 00:35:47,839
my eye roll should just say it all there

925
00:35:50,870 --> 00:35:48,720
um

926
00:35:52,950 --> 00:35:50,880
but you've got the fact that you know i

927
00:35:54,710 --> 00:35:52,960
mean it it it's like you're

928
00:35:57,589 --> 00:35:54,720
here you are oh you you're you know

929
00:36:00,310 --> 00:35:57,599
disrespecting native americans and their

930
00:36:02,150 --> 00:36:00,320
beliefs and skin walkers but yet then

931
00:36:03,910 --> 00:36:02,160
people turn around and say you know

932
00:36:06,150 --> 00:36:03,920
you're not supposed to even be uttering

933
00:36:08,310 --> 00:36:06,160
the name skin walker because that can

934
00:36:10,310 --> 00:36:08,320
bring all of this evil upon you and it's

935
00:36:13,030 --> 00:36:10,320
like well then why didn't you talk to

936
00:36:16,310 --> 00:36:13,040
bigelow kelleher and knapp and ask him

937
00:36:18,550 --> 00:36:16,320
why they're using skinwalker if this is

938
00:36:20,790 --> 00:36:18,560
so bad to utter the name they're calling

939
00:36:24,470 --> 00:36:20,800
their shine in a big old light down here

940
00:36:27,190 --> 00:36:24,480
to welcome in shape-shifting beings so

941
00:36:28,550 --> 00:36:27,200
why are people not questioning that

942
00:36:30,950 --> 00:36:28,560
you know i mean it's like a good point

943
00:36:32,390 --> 00:36:30,960
yeah the whole thing is is just the more

944
00:36:33,510 --> 00:36:32,400
you step back and look at it you just

945
00:36:36,470 --> 00:36:33,520
think

946
00:36:38,150 --> 00:36:36,480
really are you kidding me and yeah and

947
00:36:40,069 --> 00:36:38,160
i'd like to remind people that it was

948
00:36:42,069 --> 00:36:40,079
right it was 22 million dollars that

949
00:36:45,190 --> 00:36:42,079
they spent

950
00:36:48,230 --> 00:36:45,200
as a taxpayer dollars right

951
00:36:54,310 --> 00:36:48,240
on researching this ranch

952
00:36:58,630 --> 00:36:56,710
most of these claims it's all

953
00:37:01,510 --> 00:36:58,640
from what i've heard and experienced

954
00:37:03,030 --> 00:37:01,520
it's all just stories

955
00:37:05,190 --> 00:37:03,040
right

956
00:37:06,950 --> 00:37:05,200
well like the myth exactly what you're

957
00:37:08,710 --> 00:37:06,960
saying they've created their own myth

958
00:37:10,150 --> 00:37:08,720
you know i mean i

959
00:37:11,910 --> 00:37:10,160
and it's so hard because i know that

960
00:37:13,910 --> 00:37:11,920
there are places i've studied these

961
00:37:16,150 --> 00:37:13,920
places i've been to these places all

962
00:37:18,310 --> 00:37:16,160
over the world where you have certain

963
00:37:21,030 --> 00:37:18,320
types of phenomena that are taking

964
00:37:23,270 --> 00:37:21,040
allegedly taking place and i think

965
00:37:25,510 --> 00:37:23,280
for me perhaps

966
00:37:27,430 --> 00:37:25,520
that area um

967
00:37:28,390 --> 00:37:27,440
somebody really good with marketing

968
00:37:29,750 --> 00:37:28,400
somebody who was a really good

969
00:37:31,670 --> 00:37:29,760
storyteller

970
00:37:33,990 --> 00:37:31,680
knew how to go in and take a little bit

971
00:37:36,390 --> 00:37:34,000
of this mythology here

972
00:37:38,390 --> 00:37:36,400
and add the indian mythology

973
00:37:40,790 --> 00:37:38,400
i'm sorry native american pardon me

974
00:37:43,589 --> 00:37:40,800
please don't cancel me native american

975
00:37:46,230 --> 00:37:43,599
mythology gets folded into that right

976
00:37:48,069 --> 00:37:46,240
right local legends gets folded into

977
00:37:50,950 --> 00:37:48,079
this right and then you've got you know

978
00:37:53,349 --> 00:37:50,960
this you know these all of this other

979
00:37:55,190 --> 00:37:53,359
stuff so it was really a great

980
00:37:56,870 --> 00:37:55,200
myth that was created it was perfect

981
00:37:58,150 --> 00:37:56,880
marketing i mean you couldn't have done

982
00:37:58,950 --> 00:37:58,160
a better job

983
00:38:03,510 --> 00:37:58,960
to

984
00:38:05,430 --> 00:38:03,520
decade after decade make money

985
00:38:08,550 --> 00:38:05,440
for a few people

986
00:38:10,390 --> 00:38:08,560
and lord knows what's happening and you

987
00:38:11,349 --> 00:38:10,400
know are they using that as a cover to

988
00:38:14,150 --> 00:38:11,359
do

989
00:38:16,550 --> 00:38:14,160
things that are maybe a little bit more

990
00:38:18,470 --> 00:38:16,560
nefarious or is it a place where

991
00:38:20,630 --> 00:38:18,480
potentially or the area are they are

992
00:38:22,470 --> 00:38:20,640
they testing non-lethal weapons it is

993
00:38:24,950 --> 00:38:22,480
really interesting to note that some of

994
00:38:27,030 --> 00:38:24,960
the people involved with bigelow uh

995
00:38:28,790 --> 00:38:27,040
psychological warfare not only the

996
00:38:31,430 --> 00:38:28,800
weapons

997
00:38:33,670 --> 00:38:31,440
i have heard a terrible rumor many many

998
00:38:36,470 --> 00:38:33,680
times and some people firmly believe

999
00:38:40,390 --> 00:38:36,480
that skinwalker ranch is a psyop

1000
00:38:42,150 --> 00:38:40,400
psychological weapons testing range

1001
00:38:44,630 --> 00:38:42,160
i can believe that's where some of that

1002
00:38:46,230 --> 00:38:44,640
22 million dollars went let's see what

1003
00:38:47,829 --> 00:38:46,240
happens to these people when we show

1004
00:38:48,550 --> 00:38:47,839
them this or this

1005
00:38:50,150 --> 00:38:48,560
right

1006
00:38:51,349 --> 00:38:50,160
i mean it very well could be that

1007
00:38:52,710 --> 00:38:51,359
something that i've thought about

1008
00:38:54,710 --> 00:38:52,720
especially when you look at the assap

1009
00:38:56,470 --> 00:38:54,720
the solicitation sheet and

1010
00:38:57,430 --> 00:38:56,480
and what they were doing with do rf

1011
00:38:59,510 --> 00:38:57,440
weapons

1012
00:39:01,670 --> 00:38:59,520
you know all of these things i i think

1013
00:39:03,750 --> 00:39:01,680
it's you know that

1014
00:39:05,990 --> 00:39:03,760
and we have a huge military presence in

1015
00:39:07,349 --> 00:39:06,000
utah i mean we have the the one of the

1016
00:39:09,589 --> 00:39:07,359
biggest concentrations largest

1017
00:39:12,870 --> 00:39:09,599
concentrations of military and defense

1018
00:39:15,510 --> 00:39:12,880
contractors in the in the country here

1019
00:39:18,069 --> 00:39:15,520
so wouldn't would we need real-life

1020
00:39:19,750 --> 00:39:18,079
places to test things or

1021
00:39:21,670 --> 00:39:19,760
could again that just be another myth

1022
00:39:23,030 --> 00:39:21,680
inserted into the narrative

1023
00:39:24,630 --> 00:39:23,040
to to

1024
00:39:27,430 --> 00:39:24,640
make money for people

1025
00:39:29,430 --> 00:39:27,440
to bring in like with dulce maybe

1026
00:39:30,790 --> 00:39:29,440
bringing in people into a community for

1027
00:39:32,470 --> 00:39:30,800
tourism

1028
00:39:33,829 --> 00:39:32,480
you know how can we

1029
00:39:34,710 --> 00:39:33,839
you know there's a

1030
00:39:37,190 --> 00:39:34,720
dying

1031
00:39:37,990 --> 00:39:37,200
a town that is is losing money because

1032
00:39:41,670 --> 00:39:38,000
the

1033
00:39:43,349 --> 00:39:41,680
resources are drying up so how do we

1034
00:39:45,750 --> 00:39:43,359
generate revenue

1035
00:39:47,190 --> 00:39:45,760
you know i guess create a place where

1036
00:39:49,670 --> 00:39:47,200
people are walking up to a gate and

1037
00:39:51,670 --> 00:39:49,680
getting their selfies taken it has

1038
00:39:54,310 --> 00:39:51,680
become something of a tourist attraction

1039
00:39:56,230 --> 00:39:54,320
for sure people i know i know somebody

1040
00:39:57,990 --> 00:39:56,240
that happened to be driving across

1041
00:39:59,510 --> 00:39:58,000
country and they made a point to stop

1042
00:40:02,310 --> 00:39:59,520
there and do the selfie in front of the

1043
00:40:04,470 --> 00:40:02,320
gates well i mean and me at skinwalker

1044
00:40:06,150 --> 00:40:04,480
ranch you know i mean trust me and

1045
00:40:07,829 --> 00:40:06,160
i've been there and done that multiple

1046
00:40:09,990 --> 00:40:07,839
times

1047
00:40:11,589 --> 00:40:10,000
you know with things and so i i totally

1048
00:40:13,829 --> 00:40:11,599
get it but i think

1049
00:40:15,750 --> 00:40:13,839
you know it is it's an interesting thing

1050
00:40:17,109 --> 00:40:15,760
and i think there's a lot going on could

1051
00:40:19,030 --> 00:40:17,119
they be putting things out there and

1052
00:40:21,829 --> 00:40:19,040
then seeing how people react like it's a

1053
00:40:23,670 --> 00:40:21,839
live-action kind of role-play thing

1054
00:40:25,589 --> 00:40:23,680
so and then you get into social media

1055
00:40:27,109 --> 00:40:25,599
groups and you say hey this is i saw

1056
00:40:29,270 --> 00:40:27,119
this at skinwalker ranch and then you

1057
00:40:30,470 --> 00:40:29,280
watch everybody the little wheels

1058
00:40:31,910 --> 00:40:30,480
turning and we're going to go out there

1059
00:40:32,950 --> 00:40:31,920
and then we're going to report this and

1060
00:40:35,270 --> 00:40:32,960
then

1061
00:40:37,589 --> 00:40:35,280
get a new tv show

1062
00:40:40,069 --> 00:40:37,599
i mean it's like your documentary you

1063
00:40:42,069 --> 00:40:40,079
know you're studying you're studying

1064
00:40:43,349 --> 00:40:42,079
people's behavior you know on that but

1065
00:40:45,510 --> 00:40:43,359
you know i think it's important when we

1066
00:40:48,309 --> 00:40:45,520
talk about so 22 million dollars of

1067
00:40:50,950 --> 00:40:48,319
taxpayer money was spent on this thing

1068
00:40:52,950 --> 00:40:50,960
if we add in it's got to be

1069
00:40:56,069 --> 00:40:52,960
a few million dollars that people have

1070
00:40:57,670 --> 00:40:56,079
made selling the myth of this place

1071
00:41:00,230 --> 00:40:57,680
so we're talking about you know

1072
00:41:02,630 --> 00:41:00,240
potentially i don't know 25 million

1073
00:41:05,190 --> 00:41:02,640
dollars sunk into this thing and i don't

1074
00:41:06,870 --> 00:41:05,200
know what we have to show for it except

1075
00:41:08,630 --> 00:41:06,880
somebody made an awful lot of money on

1076
00:41:10,790 --> 00:41:08,640
tv shows and book deals and

1077
00:41:12,390 --> 00:41:10,800
documentaries well i mean and then you

1078
00:41:15,190 --> 00:41:12,400
have some of the people that are

1079
00:41:17,190 --> 00:41:15,200
involved uh now in in

1080
00:41:19,829 --> 00:41:17,200
you know up in that area who have

1081
00:41:21,990 --> 00:41:19,839
families who are holding political uh

1082
00:41:24,150 --> 00:41:22,000
positions who are you know there's a

1083
00:41:26,550 --> 00:41:24,160
huge thing that you went to basin

1084
00:41:29,589 --> 00:41:26,560
railway where they're building this big

1085
00:41:31,910 --> 00:41:29,599
uh you know the infrastructure to take

1086
00:41:33,829 --> 00:41:31,920
the resources away

1087
00:41:36,069 --> 00:41:33,839
from there and transport them somewhere

1088
00:41:38,550 --> 00:41:36,079
else it's been very controversial

1089
00:41:39,990 --> 00:41:38,560
uh and things but there are people

1090
00:41:42,710 --> 00:41:40,000
who's who

1091
00:41:46,069 --> 00:41:42,720
benefit from that financially who are

1092
00:41:49,109 --> 00:41:46,079
involved with the ranch and

1093
00:41:50,630 --> 00:41:49,119
and things and so you've gotta not just

1094
00:41:53,109 --> 00:41:50,640
only the the fact that you've got this

1095
00:41:54,790 --> 00:41:53,119
paranormal myth and people potentially

1096
00:41:57,510 --> 00:41:54,800
making money off of books you've got the

1097
00:42:01,510 --> 00:41:57,520
fact that there are things going on in

1098
00:42:03,190 --> 00:42:01,520
the area with industry uh and and deals

1099
00:42:04,630 --> 00:42:03,200
that are being made and people that are

1100
00:42:07,190 --> 00:42:04,640
serving on

1101
00:42:09,270 --> 00:42:07,200
uh the governor's economic advisory

1102
00:42:10,710 --> 00:42:09,280
board who who you know i mean all of a

1103
00:42:13,030 --> 00:42:10,720
sudden you've got all of this money

1104
00:42:17,750 --> 00:42:13,040
being pumped into that area

1105
00:42:19,750 --> 00:42:17,760
you have uh covet funding that went into

1106
00:42:20,950 --> 00:42:19,760
you know helping to support businesses

1107
00:42:22,390 --> 00:42:20,960
up there that were only open three

1108
00:42:25,349 --> 00:42:22,400
months out of the year

1109
00:42:28,630 --> 00:42:25,359
when other small businesses in utah who

1110
00:42:30,710 --> 00:42:28,640
were struggling did not receive the ppe

1111
00:42:32,150 --> 00:42:30,720
funding and things like that and so

1112
00:42:33,910 --> 00:42:32,160
you've got a lot of you've got a lot

1113
00:42:35,910 --> 00:42:33,920
going on behind the scenes

1114
00:42:38,150 --> 00:42:35,920
and it isn't just about the paranormal

1115
00:42:42,829 --> 00:42:38,160
this is very political and

1116
00:42:45,829 --> 00:42:42,839
um like i said i think it's you know

1117
00:42:48,150 --> 00:42:45,839
ah yeah it's been interesting

1118
00:42:49,910 --> 00:42:48,160
it's it's a pandora's box when you start

1119
00:42:51,349 --> 00:42:49,920
getting further and further down the

1120
00:42:53,750 --> 00:42:51,359
rabbit hole because

1121
00:42:55,829 --> 00:42:53,760
if you just take an outsider's

1122
00:42:57,910 --> 00:42:55,839
perspective and just like watch the

1123
00:42:59,510 --> 00:42:57,920
documentaries about it or the television

1124
00:43:01,829 --> 00:42:59,520
show you go well maybe there's something

1125
00:43:03,750 --> 00:43:01,839
interesting happening here but it is

1126
00:43:06,630 --> 00:43:03,760
just a form of entertainment largely

1127
00:43:09,109 --> 00:43:06,640
because we never get to any data or any

1128
00:43:10,630 --> 00:43:09,119
any conclusions because you got to keep

1129
00:43:13,270 --> 00:43:10,640
it going to keep you know we're going to

1130
00:43:15,430 --> 00:43:13,280
get a new season of the tv show we're

1131
00:43:18,230 --> 00:43:15,440
gonna get another book deal maybe a new

1132
00:43:19,670 --> 00:43:18,240
documentary because you know and isn't

1133
00:43:21,990 --> 00:43:19,680
it interesting this book what did you

1134
00:43:24,710 --> 00:43:22,000
think of the revelations about

1135
00:43:27,670 --> 00:43:24,720
asap is the one that had all the funding

1136
00:43:29,910 --> 00:43:27,680
and atip who lou alizando worked for or

1137
00:43:31,589 --> 00:43:29,920
headed depending on who you ask or had

1138
00:43:33,030 --> 00:43:31,599
no involvement in depending on who in

1139
00:43:35,270 --> 00:43:33,040
the government you asked

1140
00:43:37,109 --> 00:43:35,280
had no funding at all

1141
00:43:39,190 --> 00:43:37,119
are they kind of throwing shade on louis

1142
00:43:41,510 --> 00:43:39,200
elizondo and the story so far that we've

1143
00:43:44,790 --> 00:43:41,520
been told well that very well could be

1144
00:43:46,790 --> 00:43:44,800
that shade is is uh

1145
00:43:49,270 --> 00:43:46,800
you know i mean there should seems to be

1146
00:43:51,430 --> 00:43:49,280
some somebody's lying either this jerry

1147
00:43:53,349 --> 00:43:51,440
person and george snapper lying about

1148
00:43:54,390 --> 00:43:53,359
the sequence of events that lou once

1149
00:43:56,790 --> 00:43:54,400
described

1150
00:43:59,190 --> 00:43:56,800
or louisando is lying i don't think that

1151
00:44:01,430 --> 00:43:59,200
they can both be telling the truth

1152
00:44:03,589 --> 00:44:01,440
but i've heard lewin interviews speak

1153
00:44:05,030 --> 00:44:03,599
very nicely about this other person but

1154
00:44:07,670 --> 00:44:05,040
i don't know if that's some form of

1155
00:44:09,349 --> 00:44:07,680
deflection because he knows that they

1156
00:44:10,950 --> 00:44:09,359
almost caught him with his pants down

1157
00:44:12,790 --> 00:44:10,960
because he's the source of the new york

1158
00:44:14,710 --> 00:44:12,800
times article he's the source of these

1159
00:44:16,950 --> 00:44:14,720
videos getting released he's been

1160
00:44:19,190 --> 00:44:16,960
profiting from those the release of that

1161
00:44:21,430 --> 00:44:19,200
taxpayer owned

1162
00:44:23,030 --> 00:44:21,440
property in the form of this video ever

1163
00:44:25,829 --> 00:44:23,040
since it was released i don't know about

1164
00:44:27,270 --> 00:44:25,839
the ethics and morality of that like

1165
00:44:28,230 --> 00:44:27,280
you know i mean

1166
00:44:30,710 --> 00:44:28,240
because

1167
00:44:33,270 --> 00:44:30,720
the example that i think is like could

1168
00:44:36,309 --> 00:44:33,280
what if somebody in the intelligence

1169
00:44:38,550 --> 00:44:36,319
community okayed the release of a a

1170
00:44:41,270 --> 00:44:38,560
video from desert storm

1171
00:44:43,109 --> 00:44:41,280
showing whatever you know attacks on

1172
00:44:44,710 --> 00:44:43,119
civilians or whatever

1173
00:44:46,630 --> 00:44:44,720
and then he quit the government and then

1174
00:44:48,309 --> 00:44:46,640
he profited from the release of that

1175
00:44:51,589 --> 00:44:48,319
video for the next five years he wrote a

1176
00:44:53,910 --> 00:44:51,599
book about that video he he uh you know

1177
00:44:55,270 --> 00:44:53,920
got a tv deal would that be an ethical

1178
00:44:56,790 --> 00:44:55,280
thing to do

1179
00:44:58,390 --> 00:44:56,800
and i don't think so that's just my

1180
00:45:00,790 --> 00:44:58,400
purpose i don't think so and i don't

1181
00:45:02,630 --> 00:45:00,800
think anybody that really had you know i

1182
00:45:05,589 --> 00:45:02,640
mean was as

1183
00:45:06,950 --> 00:45:05,599
is embedded in the government uh you

1184
00:45:09,430 --> 00:45:06,960
know you just don't

1185
00:45:10,470 --> 00:45:09,440
you don't sign your life away and make

1186
00:45:12,710 --> 00:45:10,480
oaths

1187
00:45:14,790 --> 00:45:12,720
uh to go out and kind of pull some of

1188
00:45:16,790 --> 00:45:14,800
this this stuff that we see i mean

1189
00:45:18,870 --> 00:45:16,800
people that hold these

1190
00:45:21,349 --> 00:45:18,880
secret top secret clearances people that

1191
00:45:23,030 --> 00:45:21,359
have been involved in things don't go

1192
00:45:24,390 --> 00:45:23,040
out there and broadcast things this is

1193
00:45:26,950 --> 00:45:24,400
very serious and there are a lot of

1194
00:45:28,790 --> 00:45:26,960
people's lives who are on the line

1195
00:45:31,030 --> 00:45:28,800
as a result of this and so i think you

1196
00:45:34,550 --> 00:45:31,040
have to to ask a lot of questions about

1197
00:45:36,630 --> 00:45:34,560
what the motivations are behind this and

1198
00:45:37,670 --> 00:45:36,640
it's usually money though we've seen a

1199
00:45:39,750 --> 00:45:37,680
lot of them

1200
00:45:43,030 --> 00:45:39,760
and with all the money you go

1201
00:45:44,870 --> 00:45:43,040
oh that's why he released that video

1202
00:45:47,109 --> 00:45:44,880
that's why he got that video released so

1203
00:45:48,870 --> 00:45:47,119
you can make some money off of it later

1204
00:45:50,630 --> 00:45:48,880
and then you know i think i think the

1205
00:45:52,710 --> 00:45:50,640
the funny thing is when you you know i

1206
00:45:55,030 --> 00:45:52,720
mean you also go out there and you you

1207
00:45:57,349 --> 00:45:55,040
really strategically listen to

1208
00:45:59,750 --> 00:45:57,359
the things that these people are saying

1209
00:46:03,430 --> 00:45:59,760
and you hear the way they're using

1210
00:46:04,950 --> 00:46:03,440
specific uh words specific phrases you

1211
00:46:08,630 --> 00:46:04,960
know you've got to distrust the

1212
00:46:10,630 --> 00:46:08,640
government we need to rise up we need to

1213
00:46:13,829 --> 00:46:10,640
you know yadda yadda yadda i mean it

1214
00:46:16,470 --> 00:46:13,839
it's it's about again promoting a

1215
00:46:18,710 --> 00:46:16,480
conspiracy culture a culture that is

1216
00:46:20,870 --> 00:46:18,720
distrusting the government and then we

1217
00:46:23,430 --> 00:46:20,880
can oh hey i might be thrown in the hat

1218
00:46:24,230 --> 00:46:23,440
to run for office you know i might be

1219
00:46:26,230 --> 00:46:24,240
doing

1220
00:46:28,230 --> 00:46:26,240
you know all of this you know stuff and

1221
00:46:30,710 --> 00:46:28,240
then i might get a speaking tour on all

1222
00:46:32,309 --> 00:46:30,720
the ufo conference circuits i might get

1223
00:46:33,829 --> 00:46:32,319
a book deal right

1224
00:46:35,589 --> 00:46:33,839
and you know i wanted to ask you because

1225
00:46:38,309 --> 00:46:35,599
you've been studying this phenomenon for

1226
00:46:40,470 --> 00:46:38,319
probably longer than me and and you have

1227
00:46:42,470 --> 00:46:40,480
some understanding of how things work

1228
00:46:45,109 --> 00:46:42,480
here and like i've never understood

1229
00:46:46,710 --> 00:46:45,119
something with these uh former

1230
00:46:49,510 --> 00:46:46,720
government people

1231
00:46:52,950 --> 00:46:49,520
suddenly you know finding religion i

1232
00:46:54,710 --> 00:46:52,960
guess or morality and saying you know

1233
00:46:57,910 --> 00:46:54,720
i've been uh one of the people keeping

1234
00:46:59,589 --> 00:46:57,920
these secrets but i'm going to tell i'm

1235
00:47:01,030 --> 00:46:59,599
going to bring about disclosure i'm

1236
00:47:03,190 --> 00:47:01,040
going to tell everybody the truth about

1237
00:47:05,910 --> 00:47:03,200
those aliens even though i never really

1238
00:47:09,670 --> 00:47:05,920
do tell the truth and you know cite my

1239
00:47:11,829 --> 00:47:09,680
ndas when when it's convenient to like

1240
00:47:13,750 --> 00:47:11,839
we've been taught that the government

1241
00:47:15,990 --> 00:47:13,760
has been keeping this thing secret for

1242
00:47:17,510 --> 00:47:16,000
70 years but now suddenly we're supposed

1243
00:47:20,470 --> 00:47:17,520
to believe that a bunch of people that

1244
00:47:22,069 --> 00:47:20,480
were formerly parts of this cog cons in

1245
00:47:24,230 --> 00:47:22,079
the wheel of this

1246
00:47:25,750 --> 00:47:24,240
of this nightmare machine are suddenly

1247
00:47:27,349 --> 00:47:25,760
going to come to

1248
00:47:29,349 --> 00:47:27,359
you know the table and bring us the

1249
00:47:31,990 --> 00:47:29,359
truth and i have a real problem with

1250
00:47:34,870 --> 00:47:32,000
this i do too i mean i as far as i'm

1251
00:47:37,190 --> 00:47:34,880
concerned if jeremy corbell is the

1252
00:47:39,349 --> 00:47:37,200
bringer of disclosure then just i am

1253
00:47:40,309 --> 00:47:39,359
going off world you know get me to that

1254
00:47:42,630 --> 00:47:40,319
freaking

1255
00:47:44,950 --> 00:47:42,640
jump room where i can go to mars

1256
00:47:46,790 --> 00:47:44,960
because it's like

1257
00:47:49,670 --> 00:47:46,800
you know that's just not not working for

1258
00:47:51,750 --> 00:47:49,680
me i mean if there was something truly

1259
00:47:53,270 --> 00:47:51,760
truly at play here and there was a

1260
00:47:55,430 --> 00:47:53,280
disclosure

1261
00:47:57,829 --> 00:47:55,440
uh happening we we wouldn't have the

1262
00:47:59,829 --> 00:47:57,839
people coming forward that are coming

1263
00:48:02,710 --> 00:47:59,839
coming forward to talk about it this

1264
00:48:03,750 --> 00:48:02,720
would be far more serious and they

1265
00:48:05,430 --> 00:48:03,760
certainly

1266
00:48:06,390 --> 00:48:05,440
wouldn't be going to conferences with

1267
00:48:08,390 --> 00:48:06,400
different people that have been

1268
00:48:09,910 --> 00:48:08,400
promoting a bunch of garbage

1269
00:48:12,069 --> 00:48:09,920
for 30 years

1270
00:48:14,150 --> 00:48:12,079
so yeah i just got in trouble on twitter

1271
00:48:16,549 --> 00:48:14,160
because i did open my mouth about

1272
00:48:18,470 --> 00:48:16,559
somebody did a ufo crash retrieval panel

1273
00:48:21,190 --> 00:48:18,480
with ufo jesus

1274
00:48:23,510 --> 00:48:21,200
and i just said nothing says serious

1275
00:48:25,510 --> 00:48:23,520
incredible research like having ufo

1276
00:48:26,630 --> 00:48:25,520
jesus on your panel

1277
00:48:29,349 --> 00:48:26,640
to talk about

1278
00:48:32,630 --> 00:48:29,359
ufo crashes you know like it's such a

1279
00:48:35,030 --> 00:48:32,640
circus anymore that i just and this

1280
00:48:36,950 --> 00:48:35,040
and the circus ring leaders are the ones

1281
00:48:38,630 --> 00:48:36,960
that are winning at the game because

1282
00:48:39,750 --> 00:48:38,640
they're just

1283
00:48:42,230 --> 00:48:39,760
out there

1284
00:48:45,270 --> 00:48:42,240
giving people the circus right well and

1285
00:48:48,630 --> 00:48:45,280
and this is why i am in i'm my my puppet

1286
00:48:50,710 --> 00:48:48,640
show is is currently in production

1287
00:48:53,510 --> 00:48:50,720
i've already done mine i know you added

1288
00:48:55,190 --> 00:48:53,520
one yeah i did i did and

1289
00:48:57,510 --> 00:48:55,200
it's great to blow off steam and it's

1290
00:48:59,270 --> 00:48:57,520
fun well i've got some things going on

1291
00:49:00,950 --> 00:48:59,280
because it's just like

1292
00:49:02,150 --> 00:49:00,960
you know you can just see you know it's

1293
00:49:04,630 --> 00:49:02,160
like the the

1294
00:49:06,470 --> 00:49:04,640
wizard of oz you've got this you know

1295
00:49:08,790 --> 00:49:06,480
little man behind a curtain who's

1296
00:49:11,510 --> 00:49:08,800
appearing to be much bigger and and all

1297
00:49:13,349 --> 00:49:11,520
of the flying monkeys and and you know i

1298
00:49:15,190 --> 00:49:13,359
mean i need more flying monkeys on my

1299
00:49:17,109 --> 00:49:15,200
show

1300
00:49:18,710 --> 00:49:17,119
people accuse me of running the circus

1301
00:49:21,270 --> 00:49:18,720
and i just want to point out in my

1302
00:49:22,150 --> 00:49:21,280
defense i'm not running the circus i'm

1303
00:49:27,589 --> 00:49:22,160
just

1304
00:49:32,069 --> 00:49:27,599
okay so well and you know i mean it's

1305
00:49:34,069 --> 00:49:32,079
it's funny it's like i i mean i i'm i've

1306
00:49:35,829 --> 00:49:34,079
if you go back and you listen to my very

1307
00:49:38,790 --> 00:49:35,839
first show

1308
00:49:42,069 --> 00:49:38,800
and you follow my work you you can see a

1309
00:49:44,309 --> 00:49:42,079
very candid and painful process

1310
00:49:45,030 --> 00:49:44,319
of me going through this you know where

1311
00:49:51,270 --> 00:49:45,040
i

1312
00:49:54,870 --> 00:49:51,280
you know and and

1313
00:49:56,630 --> 00:49:54,880
blindly following because i felt you

1314
00:49:58,150 --> 00:49:56,640
know honestly that this you know there

1315
00:50:00,470 --> 00:49:58,160
was something so cool and i'm a

1316
00:50:02,549 --> 00:50:00,480
supportive person you know i i want to

1317
00:50:05,750 --> 00:50:02,559
give people the benefit of the doubt and

1318
00:50:08,390 --> 00:50:05,760
i do and sometimes that is my to my

1319
00:50:09,510 --> 00:50:08,400
detriment obviously um

1320
00:50:11,109 --> 00:50:09,520
but

1321
00:50:12,630 --> 00:50:11,119
you know i've learned so much and it's

1322
00:50:14,150 --> 00:50:12,640
all out there go back and listen to it

1323
00:50:16,230 --> 00:50:14,160
i'm not a skeptic

1324
00:50:19,430 --> 00:50:16,240
but what i am is an intelligent human

1325
00:50:21,829 --> 00:50:19,440
being who was learned and who was seen

1326
00:50:23,670 --> 00:50:21,839
and who understands and has a

1327
00:50:26,549 --> 00:50:23,680
beautiful archive and i can look back at

1328
00:50:28,390 --> 00:50:26,559
the history and see the same grift being

1329
00:50:30,470 --> 00:50:28,400
repeated and

1330
00:50:32,870 --> 00:50:30,480
interestingly enough it's like what's

1331
00:50:34,710 --> 00:50:32,880
the time loop david talking about time

1332
00:50:37,270 --> 00:50:34,720
loops right now while he's pitching the

1333
00:50:41,510 --> 00:50:39,430
10 years ago he was pitching the same

1334
00:50:43,109 --> 00:50:41,520
garbage ten years ago

1335
00:50:45,349 --> 00:50:43,119
well you know and i have to say that

1336
00:50:47,990 --> 00:50:45,359
some of these people i've been at at

1337
00:50:48,870 --> 00:50:48,000
conferences with and i've seen

1338
00:50:50,790 --> 00:50:48,880
um

1339
00:50:51,750 --> 00:50:50,800
some of the shenanigans you've seen this

1340
00:50:54,549 --> 00:50:51,760
you know

1341
00:50:56,630 --> 00:50:54,559
god help me there's not enough freaking

1342
00:50:59,589 --> 00:50:56,640
therapy to get over some of those things

1343
00:51:01,589 --> 00:50:59,599
whatever but i think um

1344
00:51:04,230 --> 00:51:01,599
you know for me to be there's one

1345
00:51:05,750 --> 00:51:04,240
specific moment that really had an

1346
00:51:07,430 --> 00:51:05,760
impact on me i was speaking at a

1347
00:51:08,470 --> 00:51:07,440
conference and

1348
00:51:09,670 --> 00:51:08,480
i was

1349
00:51:10,470 --> 00:51:09,680
um

1350
00:51:12,390 --> 00:51:10,480
you know

1351
00:51:15,190 --> 00:51:12,400
a lovely time i was sitting there with

1352
00:51:17,349 --> 00:51:15,200
the only black man in ufology who i love

1353
00:51:18,790 --> 00:51:17,359
and who's been on my my show but we were

1354
00:51:20,069 --> 00:51:18,800
sitting there and he was speaking but we

1355
00:51:22,470 --> 00:51:20,079
were sitting back the news with my dear

1356
00:51:24,390 --> 00:51:22,480
friend craig lang who was passed away he

1357
00:51:25,750 --> 00:51:24,400
was an abduction abduction researcher

1358
00:51:27,349 --> 00:51:25,760
from mufon

1359
00:51:30,710 --> 00:51:27,359
and

1360
00:51:31,750 --> 00:51:30,720
there was a fellow uh jordan sather um

1361
00:51:35,270 --> 00:51:31,760
who was

1362
00:51:37,190 --> 00:51:35,280
doing stuff but he was kind of brought

1363
00:51:37,990 --> 00:51:37,200
in you know under

1364
00:51:39,829 --> 00:51:38,000
uh

1365
00:51:41,670 --> 00:51:39,839
you know the new age kind of thing and

1366
00:51:43,109 --> 00:51:41,680
he was there and he'd i had asked him

1367
00:51:45,349 --> 00:51:43,119
you know what are you we don't say that

1368
00:51:46,230 --> 00:51:45,359
letter of the alphabet here oh just so

1369
00:51:48,230 --> 00:51:46,240
you know

1370
00:51:50,710 --> 00:51:48,240
we just say the letter the alphabet

1371
00:51:53,349 --> 00:51:50,720
conspiracy okay youtube doesn't like

1372
00:51:56,630 --> 00:51:54,630
yeah i know what conference you're

1373
00:51:58,150 --> 00:51:56,640
talking about though it was like a

1374
00:52:00,309 --> 00:51:58,160
contact in the desert that he got

1375
00:52:02,150 --> 00:52:00,319
invited well it was a different

1376
00:52:04,470 --> 00:52:02,160
different one

1377
00:52:06,790 --> 00:52:04,480
yeah i was there and i watched um a

1378
00:52:09,030 --> 00:52:06,800
beautiful presentation about health and

1379
00:52:10,710 --> 00:52:09,040
wellness and all of these slides that

1380
00:52:13,670 --> 00:52:10,720
were just gorgeous i mean i wish i could

1381
00:52:15,990 --> 00:52:13,680
do a powerpoint um that was you know

1382
00:52:17,270 --> 00:52:16,000
that that together um but it was

1383
00:52:19,510 --> 00:52:17,280
interesting everything was black and

1384
00:52:21,910 --> 00:52:19,520
white until

1385
00:52:24,069 --> 00:52:21,920
you've got a scene of a crowd

1386
00:52:28,470 --> 00:52:24,079
and then you've got in color over to the

1387
00:52:32,950 --> 00:52:30,069
in color

1388
00:52:36,390 --> 00:52:32,960
and then you know three three uh slides

1389
00:52:37,349 --> 00:52:36,400
later there's a beautiful uh photo of

1390
00:52:39,030 --> 00:52:37,359
hitler

1391
00:52:41,190 --> 00:52:39,040
with a quote

1392
00:52:44,790 --> 00:52:41,200
you know from mein kampf and and i'm

1393
00:52:48,950 --> 00:52:47,190
what is he doing right i mean like i

1394
00:52:51,349 --> 00:52:48,960
mean it just i sat there and it made me

1395
00:52:52,710 --> 00:52:51,359
so physically ill i had to leave

1396
00:52:55,349 --> 00:52:52,720
because i just

1397
00:52:56,470 --> 00:52:55,359
thought um

1398
00:53:01,589 --> 00:52:56,480
this is

1399
00:53:03,829 --> 00:53:01,599
going to these conferences we are

1400
00:53:05,910 --> 00:53:03,839
getting you know i mean we're being sold

1401
00:53:07,750 --> 00:53:05,920
a bill of goods and yet we don't

1402
00:53:10,230 --> 00:53:07,760
understand how dangerous what we're

1403
00:53:12,630 --> 00:53:10,240
being told is and when you look at the

1404
00:53:14,390 --> 00:53:12,640
benevolent space brothers and you look

1405
00:53:15,670 --> 00:53:14,400
at their hand signals

1406
00:53:18,069 --> 00:53:15,680
and you look at the fact that there are

1407
00:53:20,870 --> 00:53:18,079
these tall nordics you know with blonde

1408
00:53:22,790 --> 00:53:20,880
hair and blue eyes who are superior i

1409
00:53:23,589 --> 00:53:22,800
mean you've got to kind of step back and

1410
00:53:25,270 --> 00:53:23,599
say

1411
00:53:28,549 --> 00:53:25,280
there's a problem here

1412
00:53:31,030 --> 00:53:28,559
and if we don't get that as grown adults

1413
00:53:32,309 --> 00:53:31,040
uh yes then i don't know what to tell

1414
00:53:34,150 --> 00:53:32,319
you good luck

1415
00:53:36,470 --> 00:53:34,160
but it's concerning you know some of

1416
00:53:38,470 --> 00:53:36,480
these conspiracy theorists you know i

1417
00:53:40,309 --> 00:53:38,480
don't think they care but they have i

1418
00:53:42,069 --> 00:53:40,319
think when you have a huge following

1419
00:53:44,230 --> 00:53:42,079
you've got a responsibility and they're

1420
00:53:46,630 --> 00:53:44,240
giving people health advice or they're

1421
00:53:48,470 --> 00:53:46,640
selling fake medical devices or you know

1422
00:53:50,950 --> 00:53:48,480
i love the med beds

1423
00:53:53,109 --> 00:53:50,960
the new med bed scams that's great

1424
00:53:55,430 --> 00:53:53,119
they're gonna take you up to a stargate

1425
00:53:57,990 --> 00:53:55,440
into a spaceship

1426
00:53:59,829 --> 00:53:58,000
and give you a med bed session for 250

1427
00:54:02,309 --> 00:53:59,839
but then at the end of the ad copy they

1428
00:54:03,109 --> 00:54:02,319
say it's just a skype call

1429
00:54:04,870 --> 00:54:03,119
so

1430
00:54:06,870 --> 00:54:04,880
there's that

1431
00:54:09,349 --> 00:54:06,880
but yeah these guys have sometimes these

1432
00:54:11,430 --> 00:54:09,359
people have huge followings and i worry

1433
00:54:13,109 --> 00:54:11,440
about their influence over people

1434
00:54:15,109 --> 00:54:13,119
especially when they're giving terrible

1435
00:54:16,390 --> 00:54:15,119
health advice or you know giving health

1436
00:54:18,549 --> 00:54:16,400
advice at all

1437
00:54:19,430 --> 00:54:18,559
you know or uh

1438
00:54:20,230 --> 00:54:19,440
you know

1439
00:54:22,069 --> 00:54:20,240
this

1440
00:54:24,230 --> 00:54:22,079
conspiracy mindset you know people have

1441
00:54:26,309 --> 00:54:24,240
been murdered over this because they get

1442
00:54:28,150 --> 00:54:26,319
too deep into it right right i mean

1443
00:54:29,510 --> 00:54:28,160
people people have committed suicide

1444
00:54:30,870 --> 00:54:29,520
people there have been a lot of really

1445
00:54:32,150 --> 00:54:30,880
negative things

1446
00:54:34,470 --> 00:54:32,160
um

1447
00:54:36,069 --> 00:54:34,480
you know that that have happened and i

1448
00:54:37,910 --> 00:54:36,079
just think people need to be aware of

1449
00:54:39,030 --> 00:54:37,920
that there's a really really really dark

1450
00:54:41,030 --> 00:54:39,040
side

1451
00:54:41,910 --> 00:54:41,040
of this and

1452
00:54:44,630 --> 00:54:41,920
and

1453
00:54:47,030 --> 00:54:44,640
light for

1454
00:54:50,390 --> 00:54:47,040
you know god's sakes run away it's not

1455
00:54:52,230 --> 00:54:50,400
the place no it's not you know and yeah

1456
00:54:54,470 --> 00:54:52,240
i love people like corey good you know

1457
00:54:57,589 --> 00:54:54,480
he's earth's galactic ambassador he was

1458
00:54:59,910 --> 00:54:57,599
chosen out of everybody on earth to be

1459
00:55:02,230 --> 00:54:59,920
this super advanced

1460
00:55:04,870 --> 00:55:02,240
intelligent species spokesperson on

1461
00:55:06,950 --> 00:55:04,880
earth and he's all loving light and be

1462
00:55:09,910 --> 00:55:06,960
of more service to others and all he

1463
00:55:12,870 --> 00:55:09,920
does is make up stories and sell garbage

1464
00:55:14,950 --> 00:55:12,880
to people and sue people who say his

1465
00:55:16,630 --> 00:55:14,960
stories are not true

1466
00:55:18,150 --> 00:55:16,640
you know there's people right now

1467
00:55:20,309 --> 00:55:18,160
getting sued

1468
00:55:21,990 --> 00:55:20,319
because they have the audacity to go on

1469
00:55:23,990 --> 00:55:22,000
the internet and say maybe he's not

1470
00:55:27,349 --> 00:55:24,000
really talking to bluebird aliens and

1471
00:55:30,390 --> 00:55:27,359
inner earth people so who's his lawyer

1472
00:55:33,190 --> 00:55:30,400
uh is this some danny sheen

1473
00:55:34,390 --> 00:55:33,200
no no it's uh it's a yaneros it's the

1474
00:55:37,030 --> 00:55:34,400
sister of

1475
00:55:39,990 --> 00:55:37,040
teresa narrows i think it's valerie in

1476
00:55:42,630 --> 00:55:40,000
arrows and she is suing all kinds of

1477
00:55:43,910 --> 00:55:42,640
people i think i can't i i lost track i

1478
00:55:46,230 --> 00:55:43,920
don't know how many people i think it's

1479
00:55:49,030 --> 00:55:46,240
like 10 10 people are being sued by gory

1480
00:55:51,750 --> 00:55:49,040
good at once his former business partner

1481
00:55:54,230 --> 00:55:51,760
his uh former uh conference organizer

1482
00:55:56,069 --> 00:55:54,240
he's suing her he's suing uh he's

1483
00:55:57,589 --> 00:55:56,079
threatening that he may sue jordan sater

1484
00:56:00,549 --> 00:55:57,599
or jordan say there's threatening and he

1485
00:56:02,069 --> 00:56:00,559
may sue him yeah yeah all the money he

1486
00:56:04,150 --> 00:56:02,079
didn't give jordan say there the money

1487
00:56:06,549 --> 00:56:04,160
from that one documentary

1488
00:56:08,630 --> 00:56:06,559
and uh yeah it's a big mess and then

1489
00:56:11,510 --> 00:56:08,640
he's suing some lawyer from new jersey

1490
00:56:13,510 --> 00:56:11,520
uh more commonly known as cw channel

1491
00:56:14,870 --> 00:56:13,520
because he had the audacity to just he

1492
00:56:17,430 --> 00:56:14,880
used to just do

1493
00:56:19,510 --> 00:56:17,440
um critique videos like corey good would

1494
00:56:21,589 --> 00:56:19,520
make a video cw channel would make a

1495
00:56:23,750 --> 00:56:21,599
video and go through the video and go

1496
00:56:25,829 --> 00:56:23,760
this is ridiculous and here's why you

1497
00:56:28,069 --> 00:56:25,839
know or point out like the stupid stuff

1498
00:56:29,750 --> 00:56:28,079
that he says was stupid like if

1499
00:56:31,430 --> 00:56:29,760
spaceships really were landed in his

1500
00:56:33,750 --> 00:56:31,440
backyard to take him to the lunar

1501
00:56:35,109 --> 00:56:33,760
command outpost somebody would have seen

1502
00:56:36,549 --> 00:56:35,119
a spaceship in his neighbor his

1503
00:56:39,190 --> 00:56:36,559
neighbors would have seen a spaceship

1504
00:56:41,829 --> 00:56:39,200
you know something but he just starts

1505
00:56:45,670 --> 00:56:41,839
suing people to stop anybody from being

1506
00:56:49,190 --> 00:56:47,430
and there's so many other important

1507
00:56:50,789 --> 00:56:49,200
things that really we need to get

1508
00:56:52,710 --> 00:56:50,799
through yeah in the middle of a global

1509
00:56:55,030 --> 00:56:52,720
pandemic right well people you know what

1510
00:56:59,510 --> 00:56:55,040
i'm saying is buck rogers space fantasy

1511
00:57:01,829 --> 00:56:59,520
stories aren't real having you know

1512
00:57:03,910 --> 00:57:01,839
going on let's just sue people that say

1513
00:57:05,510 --> 00:57:03,920
my buck rogers science fiction fantasy

1514
00:57:06,870 --> 00:57:05,520
stories i've been telling for five years

1515
00:57:08,789 --> 00:57:06,880
with no proof

1516
00:57:11,349 --> 00:57:08,799
aren't true and then there are people

1517
00:57:12,950 --> 00:57:11,359
that are being abused you know whether

1518
00:57:15,270 --> 00:57:12,960
with domestic abuse there are people

1519
00:57:17,190 --> 00:57:15,280
that are people

1520
00:57:19,109 --> 00:57:17,200
right there's so many other

1521
00:57:21,750 --> 00:57:19,119
forms there's so many other ways we

1522
00:57:24,069 --> 00:57:21,760
could use our judicial system than to

1523
00:57:25,829 --> 00:57:24,079
have these flagrant lawsuits

1524
00:57:27,349 --> 00:57:25,839
you know and that's really an insult on

1525
00:57:29,430 --> 00:57:27,359
people that are having some serious

1526
00:57:31,030 --> 00:57:29,440
issues and we have to deal with that

1527
00:57:35,190 --> 00:57:31,040
kind of crap being put in there i mean

1528
00:57:38,309 --> 00:57:36,950
i'm supposed to say audacity a lot

1529
00:57:41,910 --> 00:57:38,319
because everybody wants to take a hit or

1530
00:57:45,109 --> 00:57:43,829
you see this high quality audience we

1531
00:57:47,510 --> 00:57:45,119
have here they're all looking for an

1532
00:57:49,349 --> 00:57:47,520
excuse to get higher than they all

1533
00:57:50,630 --> 00:57:49,359
already are

1534
00:57:52,390 --> 00:57:50,640
right so

1535
00:57:54,309 --> 00:57:52,400
i i wanted to talk to you a bit about

1536
00:57:55,349 --> 00:57:54,319
some of your historical preservations i

1537
00:57:57,829 --> 00:57:55,359
know we're kind of running out of time

1538
00:58:00,390 --> 00:57:57,839
so i'll try to make it quick um

1539
00:58:02,710 --> 00:58:00,400
but you are real big on preserving the

1540
00:58:05,030 --> 00:58:02,720
history of some of this stuff to the

1541
00:58:07,270 --> 00:58:05,040
point of going when somebody dies or

1542
00:58:09,670 --> 00:58:07,280
when they you know to try to get their

1543
00:58:10,870 --> 00:58:09,680
research and digitize it right is that

1544
00:58:13,109 --> 00:58:10,880
what you're doing and making it

1545
00:58:14,710 --> 00:58:13,119
available for everybody i am and i

1546
00:58:16,710 --> 00:58:14,720
that's a public service i want to thank

1547
00:58:18,950 --> 00:58:16,720
you for because i love looking through

1548
00:58:20,470 --> 00:58:18,960
looking through papers and you know of

1549
00:58:21,990 --> 00:58:20,480
researchers

1550
00:58:23,750 --> 00:58:22,000
you know it's you never know what you're

1551
00:58:26,630 --> 00:58:23,760
going to find in there right it's like a

1552
00:58:28,710 --> 00:58:26,640
treasure hunt you know well i i started

1553
00:58:30,470 --> 00:58:28,720
gosh i mean i guess almost 10 years ago

1554
00:58:31,589 --> 00:58:30,480
i was

1555
00:58:33,910 --> 00:58:31,599
sent

1556
00:58:34,870 --> 00:58:33,920
a huge box i mean

1557
00:58:38,069 --> 00:58:34,880
from

1558
00:58:39,829 --> 00:58:38,079
keith chester who did a great book on

1559
00:58:41,270 --> 00:58:39,839
foo fighters and he's a brilliant

1560
00:58:43,430 --> 00:58:41,280
researcher he spent so much time at the

1561
00:58:45,670 --> 00:58:43,440
national archives and he didn't know me

1562
00:58:47,750 --> 00:58:45,680
but he had heard about me and so he sent

1563
00:58:50,309 --> 00:58:47,760
me all of these things and

1564
00:58:53,430 --> 00:58:50,319
i was you know i mean i opened that box

1565
00:58:54,950 --> 00:58:53,440
and i'm like oh my gosh this is how cool

1566
00:58:57,030 --> 00:58:54,960
is this and so

1567
00:58:57,910 --> 00:58:57,040
from from there i had people like fran

1568
00:59:00,789 --> 00:58:57,920
ridge

1569
00:59:03,349 --> 00:59:00,799
uh send me things uh jan aldrich barry

1570
00:59:05,910 --> 00:59:03,359
greenwood has been very instrumental in

1571
00:59:07,750 --> 00:59:05,920
helping me learn how to archive

1572
00:59:10,309 --> 00:59:07,760
and to preserve history and barry

1573
00:59:11,670 --> 00:59:10,319
greenwood is my mentor

1574
00:59:13,990 --> 00:59:11,680
you hear me talk about him he wrote

1575
00:59:17,270 --> 00:59:14,000
clear intent with his co-author larry

1576
00:59:18,789 --> 00:59:17,280
fawcett but i have now thanks to gordon

1577
00:59:22,230 --> 00:59:18,799
lore who used to be

1578
00:59:24,950 --> 00:59:22,240
with nycap back in the late 60s who also

1579
00:59:28,230 --> 00:59:24,960
donated his archive to me

1580
00:59:30,630 --> 00:59:28,240
i have the androphophiles rich vitello

1581
00:59:32,549 --> 00:59:30,640
has donated to me norm uh

1582
00:59:34,950 --> 00:59:32,559
anyone i mean i've had people from all

1583
00:59:37,829 --> 00:59:34,960
over who have sent things to me to be

1584
00:59:41,910 --> 00:59:37,839
preserved and i am i mean it's it's i've

1585
00:59:44,069 --> 00:59:41,920
got 70 70 bankers boxes full

1586
00:59:56,870 --> 00:59:44,079
of documents that have never been seen

1587
01:00:01,829 --> 00:59:59,030
one little thing here this is like the

1588
01:00:03,349 --> 01:00:01,839
catalina channel islands

1589
01:00:05,430 --> 01:00:03,359
uh cases

1590
01:00:07,670 --> 01:00:05,440
from uh i mean way back when so you've

1591
01:00:08,630 --> 01:00:07,680
got these things this is so cool i'm

1592
01:00:11,030 --> 01:00:08,640
like

1593
01:00:13,430 --> 01:00:11,040
original you know handwritten

1594
01:00:17,109 --> 01:00:13,440
notes about these stories their

1595
01:00:19,670 --> 01:00:17,119
communications uh from nycap from the

1596
01:00:22,470 --> 01:00:19,680
sheriff's department of los angeles

1597
01:00:24,230 --> 01:00:22,480
um all the paperwork i mean all of this

1598
01:00:25,910 --> 01:00:24,240
stuff that's a treasure trove i love

1599
01:00:28,789 --> 01:00:25,920
stuff like that especially historical

1600
01:00:30,390 --> 01:00:28,799
documents and police reports it is like

1601
01:00:31,829 --> 01:00:30,400
i'm telling you it is like so freaking

1602
01:00:34,390 --> 01:00:31,839
cool and then all of these

1603
01:00:37,430 --> 01:00:34,400
correspondence between hynek

1604
01:00:39,829 --> 01:00:37,440
and and and ruffle i made correspondence

1605
01:00:41,190 --> 01:00:39,839
with uh i mean jacques valet i've got

1606
01:00:42,870 --> 01:00:41,200
yeah back in the day people used to

1607
01:00:45,990 --> 01:00:42,880
write these snail mail letters there was

1608
01:00:48,309 --> 01:00:46,000
no email so that's so amazing i mean

1609
01:00:51,430 --> 01:00:48,319
i've got over 100 audio cassettes of her

1610
01:00:53,190 --> 01:00:51,440
interviewing people like jacques valet

1611
01:00:55,829 --> 01:00:53,200
different people for the book that she

1612
01:00:58,549 --> 01:00:55,839
wrote firestorm on the life of dr james

1613
01:01:00,789 --> 01:00:58,559
mcdonald and the autopsy reports when

1614
01:01:03,349 --> 01:01:00,799
she was doing it she was digging into

1615
01:01:05,109 --> 01:01:03,359
his death that was ruled a suicide she

1616
01:01:07,670 --> 01:01:05,119
thought there might have been foul play

1617
01:01:10,789 --> 01:01:07,680
involved but i mean it's just these

1618
01:01:13,270 --> 01:01:10,799
nobody has seen this and so for me to

1619
01:01:14,470 --> 01:01:13,280
hold this this kind of stuff in my hand

1620
01:01:16,230 --> 01:01:14,480
and to know that i have the

1621
01:01:17,349 --> 01:01:16,240
responsibility to make sure that this is

1622
01:01:18,549 --> 01:01:17,359
preserved

1623
01:01:20,230 --> 01:01:18,559
passed on

1624
01:01:22,789 --> 01:01:20,240
shared with people yeah i wouldn't want

1625
01:01:24,870 --> 01:01:22,799
to digitize 70 boxes of papers so good

1626
01:01:26,549 --> 01:01:24,880
luck you know what it's i've done a

1627
01:01:29,190 --> 01:01:26,559
little bit of time i'm doing a little

1628
01:01:31,349 --> 01:01:29,200
bit of time i've i'm getting my stride

1629
01:01:33,910 --> 01:01:31,359
gotta micromanage it do so much a week

1630
01:01:36,390 --> 01:01:33,920
right yeah and so you'll get through it

1631
01:01:38,950 --> 01:01:36,400
but it's just like i mean i i've learned

1632
01:01:42,069 --> 01:01:38,960
so much and it and i think it makes

1633
01:01:44,710 --> 01:01:42,079
people uncomfortable because i've got 60

1634
01:01:46,630 --> 01:01:44,720
years worth of correspondence

1635
01:01:48,950 --> 01:01:46,640
with some of these people who've been

1636
01:01:50,870 --> 01:01:48,960
promoting the same nonsense for a long

1637
01:01:52,789 --> 01:01:50,880
time

1638
01:01:54,789 --> 01:01:52,799
so you got some nuggets in there oh i've

1639
01:01:56,789 --> 01:01:54,799
got nuggets we've got a great question

1640
01:01:58,309 --> 01:01:56,799
because i'm not familiar matthew riot is

1641
01:01:59,510 --> 01:01:58,319
here thank you for the content yeah

1642
01:02:01,349 --> 01:01:59,520
super chat we're going to read all the

1643
01:02:03,829 --> 01:02:01,359
super chats after the interview but

1644
01:02:09,349 --> 01:02:03,839
what's erica's documentary on

1645
01:02:15,829 --> 01:02:12,630
so i i went over to norway um back in

1646
01:02:17,510 --> 01:02:15,839
2017 and went to this wonderful little

1647
01:02:19,109 --> 01:02:17,520
norwegian valley where they're doing the

1648
01:02:23,349 --> 01:02:19,119
most amazing

1649
01:02:25,750 --> 01:02:23,359
ufo research on the planet uh 35 years

1650
01:02:27,750 --> 01:02:25,760
plus and they actually have scientists

1651
01:02:30,390 --> 01:02:27,760
who are collecting data and amazingly

1652
01:02:31,910 --> 01:02:30,400
enough their cameras aren't getting cut

1653
01:02:33,910 --> 01:02:31,920
and things and they aren't sending up

1654
01:02:36,549 --> 01:02:33,920
dim wooded security guards to hide in

1655
01:02:39,190 --> 01:02:36,559
bushes in their ghillie suits to you

1656
01:02:41,670 --> 01:02:39,200
know scare oncoming people it's actually

1657
01:02:46,150 --> 01:02:44,230
so it's actually a scientific

1658
01:02:47,670 --> 01:02:46,160
uh process over there and so i went over

1659
01:02:49,990 --> 01:02:47,680
there and i filmed some of these things

1660
01:02:53,270 --> 01:02:50,000
and i do not matthew i don't i had bits

1661
01:02:55,270 --> 01:02:53,280
and pieces of what i filmed over there i

1662
01:02:57,750 --> 01:02:55,280
don't have the whole thing out there but

1663
01:02:59,190 --> 01:02:57,760
i will get get to that

1664
01:03:01,270 --> 01:02:59,200
um so

1665
01:03:03,349 --> 01:03:01,280
yeah she's a busy lady she's got pages

1666
01:03:05,750 --> 01:03:03,359
to digitize tapes to digitize matthew

1667
01:03:07,430 --> 01:03:05,760
wright is offering any cassettes

1668
01:03:09,190 --> 01:03:07,440
digitized let me know erica just got

1669
01:03:12,069 --> 01:03:09,200
done with a bunch myself for the discord

1670
01:03:13,510 --> 01:03:12,079
archive you know i could help you too

1671
01:03:15,670 --> 01:03:13,520
because that

1672
01:03:18,309 --> 01:03:15,680
would be great material for either of us

1673
01:03:20,630 --> 01:03:18,319
to share on our channels i know and i

1674
01:03:22,390 --> 01:03:20,640
love old interviews yeah you guys up i

1675
01:03:24,309 --> 01:03:22,400
mean there's nothing

1676
01:03:26,870 --> 01:03:24,319
like i mean i have an interview that i

1677
01:03:29,270 --> 01:03:26,880
will i mean it's just amazing between

1678
01:03:31,589 --> 01:03:29,280
and when she's talking to jacques valet

1679
01:03:33,349 --> 01:03:31,599
and jack ballet is very interested in

1680
01:03:35,430 --> 01:03:33,359
what anne had found out about the death

1681
01:03:38,309 --> 01:03:35,440
of dr james mcdonald

1682
01:03:41,210 --> 01:03:38,319
and so to hear their exchange and their

1683
01:03:43,190 --> 01:03:41,220
back and forth yeah and it's just like

1684
01:03:45,190 --> 01:03:43,200
[Music]

1685
01:03:46,309 --> 01:03:45,200
well very interesting and thank you for

1686
01:03:49,349 --> 01:03:46,319
the super chat we're going to read them

1687
01:03:51,910 --> 01:03:49,359
all after and uh you know

1688
01:03:53,670 --> 01:03:51,920
so you you're very busy with all this

1689
01:03:55,589 --> 01:03:53,680
stuff but i checked in with your show

1690
01:03:58,549 --> 01:03:55,599
i've been trying to keep up i know you

1691
01:04:00,230 --> 01:03:58,559
did this show on alien autopsy hoax

1692
01:04:01,990 --> 01:04:00,240
and uh i just want to mention that that

1693
01:04:03,750 --> 01:04:02,000
guy was supposed to give me an interview

1694
01:04:07,349 --> 01:04:03,760
years ago but decided i wasn't big

1695
01:04:09,109 --> 01:04:07,359
enough this uh spheros

1696
01:04:10,150 --> 01:04:09,119
so but i was glad somebody got the

1697
01:04:16,789 --> 01:04:10,160
interview

1698
01:04:19,910 --> 01:04:18,150
i don't know how to say his name can you

1699
01:04:22,390 --> 01:04:19,920
say his name

1700
01:04:24,150 --> 01:04:22,400
spyros bolaros who's a magician and is

1701
01:04:26,390 --> 01:04:24,160
one of the people that were totally in

1702
01:04:29,109 --> 01:04:26,400
on the hoax from the beginning of it

1703
01:04:30,390 --> 01:04:29,119
and he laid out the whole thing and i

1704
01:04:32,309 --> 01:04:30,400
don't understand

1705
01:04:34,710 --> 01:04:32,319
why this is popping back up again is

1706
01:04:37,190 --> 01:04:34,720
maybe it was true i thought that we've

1707
01:04:39,589 --> 01:04:37,200
been over this 100 times and everybody

1708
01:04:41,910 --> 01:04:39,599
knows that this was one of the greatest

1709
01:04:43,910 --> 01:04:41,920
alien ufo hoaxes the one that made them

1710
01:04:45,510 --> 01:04:43,920
more money than anybody

1711
01:04:48,230 --> 01:04:45,520
and the originator of the hoax is right

1712
01:04:50,470 --> 01:04:48,240
now selling one frame of the film that

1713
01:04:53,270 --> 01:04:50,480
he claims is the genuine from the

1714
01:04:55,190 --> 01:04:53,280
genuine film not the recreation for a

1715
01:04:57,589 --> 01:04:55,200
million dollars

1716
01:04:59,910 --> 01:04:57,599
what do you think about that

1717
01:05:01,670 --> 01:04:59,920
i think that clearly i'm going to be

1718
01:05:02,630 --> 01:05:01,680
putting some stuff up on ebay later

1719
01:05:04,069 --> 01:05:02,640
tonight

1720
01:05:05,270 --> 01:05:04,079
i don't know

1721
01:05:07,190 --> 01:05:05,280
yeah

1722
01:05:08,549 --> 01:05:07,200
you might have some you might have some

1723
01:05:11,109 --> 01:05:08,559
uh alien

1724
01:05:13,190 --> 01:05:11,119
films around i very well could you just

1725
01:05:15,349 --> 01:05:13,200
never all those archives yeah and

1726
01:05:17,430 --> 01:05:15,359
clearly just ridiculous this guy this

1727
01:05:19,349 --> 01:05:17,440
guy feels like i feel like that was a

1728
01:05:21,510 --> 01:05:19,359
completely greedy move because like how

1729
01:05:23,829 --> 01:05:21,520
many millions of dollars did that guy

1730
01:05:25,910 --> 01:05:23,839
already make on this hoax it's been

1731
01:05:28,309 --> 01:05:25,920
proven to be a hoax everybody knows it's

1732
01:05:30,950 --> 01:05:28,319
a hoax and then he's still going to push

1733
01:05:33,270 --> 01:05:30,960
one last payout he wants to get on this

1734
01:05:34,710 --> 01:05:33,280
and then retire even said it he did an

1735
01:05:36,710 --> 01:05:34,720
interview he's like yeah i just want to

1736
01:05:39,750 --> 01:05:36,720
get this last bit of money

1737
01:05:42,309 --> 01:05:39,760
and you know go retire

1738
01:05:45,029 --> 01:05:42,319
this is my last you know this was his

1739
01:05:46,789 --> 01:05:45,039
last dance i guess but it was funny well

1740
01:05:49,109 --> 01:05:46,799
i mean and he's still working it they're

1741
01:05:52,069 --> 01:05:49,119
still making money and and kalkorf did

1742
01:05:53,349 --> 01:05:52,079
yeah a lot of uh investigation on that

1743
01:05:55,190 --> 01:05:53,359
and things so

1744
01:05:57,029 --> 01:05:55,200
i mean it was yeah it's it's the whole

1745
01:05:58,230 --> 01:05:57,039
thing is such a trip but i guess you

1746
01:05:59,750 --> 01:05:58,240
know like i said when you go back and

1747
01:06:01,029 --> 01:05:59,760
you look at the core group of people

1748
01:06:02,230 --> 01:06:01,039
that have been

1749
01:06:03,029 --> 01:06:02,240
promoting

1750
01:06:04,710 --> 01:06:03,039
uh

1751
01:06:06,870 --> 01:06:04,720
this narrative and different narratives

1752
01:06:08,950 --> 01:06:06,880
that keep keep on going and keep on

1753
01:06:11,190 --> 01:06:08,960
going it's just like oh my gosh it's

1754
01:06:13,190 --> 01:06:11,200
ridiculous well you're gonna have to

1755
01:06:15,910 --> 01:06:13,200
help me answer this one because i'm

1756
01:06:18,470 --> 01:06:15,920
vaguely familiar but not very much any

1757
01:06:20,789 --> 01:06:18,480
thoughts on the 2019 bainbridge island

1758
01:06:23,270 --> 01:06:20,799
tic tac event if you are looking for

1759
01:06:24,470 --> 01:06:23,280
more info i put details here on youtube

1760
01:06:26,309 --> 01:06:24,480
thank you and thank you for the super

1761
01:06:27,910 --> 01:06:26,319
chat analysis rex much appreciated thank

1762
01:06:30,950 --> 01:06:27,920
you for the support

1763
01:06:33,109 --> 01:06:30,960
uh my take on that is that there's you

1764
01:06:36,549 --> 01:06:33,119
know uh

1765
01:06:39,190 --> 01:06:36,559
drone bases research bases not far away

1766
01:06:40,710 --> 01:06:39,200
from where this event took place so if i

1767
01:06:42,549 --> 01:06:40,720
had a guess

1768
01:06:44,150 --> 01:06:42,559
you know i'm still in the camp that

1769
01:06:46,950 --> 01:06:44,160
believes that some of this

1770
01:06:48,630 --> 01:06:46,960
most of this stuff is

1771
01:06:51,190 --> 01:06:48,640
one hand of the government not knowing

1772
01:06:53,510 --> 01:06:51,200
what the other hand is doing and i've

1773
01:06:55,670 --> 01:06:53,520
been told by people that i trust that

1774
01:06:56,950 --> 01:06:55,680
actually worked on some drone projects

1775
01:06:58,829 --> 01:06:56,960
that

1776
01:07:02,390 --> 01:06:58,839
when they're doing drone tests they

1777
01:07:04,230 --> 01:07:02,400
don't call everybody you know they don't

1778
01:07:06,309 --> 01:07:04,240
call the air force and say we're doing a

1779
01:07:08,549 --> 01:07:06,319
drone test right in these coordinates so

1780
01:07:10,470 --> 01:07:08,559
if you see anything weird that's us

1781
01:07:12,710 --> 01:07:10,480
they don't call the navy and say we're

1782
01:07:14,549 --> 01:07:12,720
testing drones over the water so if you

1783
01:07:16,470 --> 01:07:14,559
see anything weird that's us they don't

1784
01:07:17,510 --> 01:07:16,480
call the army

1785
01:07:19,670 --> 01:07:17,520
you know

1786
01:07:21,829 --> 01:07:19,680
they just do their tests right it's

1787
01:07:23,990 --> 01:07:21,839
shocking so a lot of this stuff i

1788
01:07:25,750 --> 01:07:24,000
believe is drone testing that is being

1789
01:07:26,630 --> 01:07:25,760
misidentified but what are your thoughts

1790
01:07:28,630 --> 01:07:26,640
on it

1791
01:07:30,470 --> 01:07:28,640
i think it's i think you're absolutely

1792
01:07:32,390 --> 01:07:30,480
spot on on that i mean of course there

1793
01:07:34,390 --> 01:07:32,400
are things that are being tested and

1794
01:07:36,230 --> 01:07:34,400
there's only a handful of people that

1795
01:07:37,990 --> 01:07:36,240
know about it that's that's just called

1796
01:07:39,750 --> 01:07:38,000
uh you know i mean

1797
01:07:42,470 --> 01:07:39,760
security

1798
01:07:45,190 --> 01:07:42,480
yeah i don't see anything in the footage

1799
01:07:47,109 --> 01:07:45,200
or any data that supports the argument

1800
01:07:49,829 --> 01:07:47,119
that these things are performing

1801
01:07:52,789 --> 01:07:49,839
maneuvers or doing you know

1802
01:07:55,029 --> 01:07:52,799
you know uh going so fast that no craft

1803
01:07:57,589 --> 01:07:55,039
on earth could as some people suggest

1804
01:07:59,510 --> 01:07:57,599
it's always like implied like well these

1805
01:08:01,750 --> 01:07:59,520
things did right angle turns nothing on

1806
01:08:04,710 --> 01:08:01,760
earth could do that

1807
01:08:07,270 --> 01:08:04,720
any hundred dollar camera drone can make

1808
01:08:09,670 --> 01:08:07,280
a 90 degree turn right

1809
01:08:11,349 --> 01:08:09,680
military one you know yeah right yeah

1810
01:08:12,710 --> 01:08:11,359
and i'll definitely check that out

1811
01:08:15,270 --> 01:08:12,720
because i have not really looked into

1812
01:08:17,590 --> 01:08:15,280
that so thanks for the

1813
01:08:19,829 --> 01:08:17,600
thanks for that yeah i agree with you i

1814
01:08:22,309 --> 01:08:19,839
could be misinformed and i i got that

1815
01:08:24,470 --> 01:08:22,319
one on my list to do a deep dive on but

1816
01:08:26,630 --> 01:08:24,480
as you can imagine anonymous rex

1817
01:08:29,189 --> 01:08:26,640
um there's only so much time in the day

1818
01:08:30,390 --> 01:08:29,199
and we're all focused on certain stories

1819
01:08:32,550 --> 01:08:30,400
that we

1820
01:08:34,229 --> 01:08:32,560
find you know for me it's like which

1821
01:08:36,149 --> 01:08:34,239
stories appeal most to me and that's

1822
01:08:37,510 --> 01:08:36,159
where i tend to focus

1823
01:08:39,510 --> 01:08:37,520
i'm going to check out your youtube

1824
01:08:40,870 --> 01:08:39,520
channel and i suggest everybody else do

1825
01:08:42,390 --> 01:08:40,880
because if you have more information i

1826
01:08:44,470 --> 01:08:42,400
would be happy to see it and i want to

1827
01:08:47,590 --> 01:08:44,480
remind everybody that we put erica

1828
01:08:49,590 --> 01:08:47,600
luke's uh ufo's declassified channel is

1829
01:08:54,149 --> 01:08:49,600
in the

1830
01:08:55,590 --> 01:08:54,159
description but your channel address is

1831
01:08:57,749 --> 01:08:55,600
in the description

1832
01:08:59,430 --> 01:08:57,759
so i apologize for that but it's

1833
01:09:00,229 --> 01:08:59,440
definitely you guys should definitely go

1834
01:09:03,030 --> 01:09:00,239
and

1835
01:09:05,430 --> 01:09:03,040
uh subscribe to her channel

1836
01:09:07,110 --> 01:09:05,440
her and scott do an amazing job

1837
01:09:10,070 --> 01:09:07,120
and i'm really impressed by their

1838
01:09:12,789 --> 01:09:10,080
coverage and by their objectivity

1839
01:09:14,470 --> 01:09:12,799
because most so many people in ufo land

1840
01:09:17,030 --> 01:09:14,480
they lose all objectivity all

1841
01:09:19,349 --> 01:09:17,040
discernment and everything's aliens

1842
01:09:20,390 --> 01:09:19,359
everything's proof disclosures coming in

1843
01:09:22,789 --> 01:09:20,400
every minute

1844
01:09:25,269 --> 01:09:22,799
if you like my coverage and you want to

1845
01:09:27,110 --> 01:09:25,279
hear someone else i think that they do a

1846
01:09:29,030 --> 01:09:27,120
great job of providing this balanced

1847
01:09:31,430 --> 01:09:29,040
coverage and let's get to the truth

1848
01:09:33,269 --> 01:09:31,440
regardless even if it's an ugly truth

1849
01:09:35,189 --> 01:09:33,279
you know because

1850
01:09:36,870 --> 01:09:35,199
eric is not winning any popularity

1851
01:09:38,789 --> 01:09:36,880
contests right now

1852
01:09:40,550 --> 01:09:38,799
giving people that truth and that's not

1853
01:09:42,149 --> 01:09:40,560
fair

1854
01:09:44,070 --> 01:09:42,159
you know what i'm definitely not but i

1855
01:09:45,749 --> 01:09:44,080
guess the the one good thing is there

1856
01:09:47,829 --> 01:09:45,759
are people that are reaching out to me

1857
01:09:49,910 --> 01:09:47,839
that are are paying attention that are

1858
01:09:52,470 --> 01:09:49,920
mainstream journalists that are people

1859
01:09:55,669 --> 01:09:52,480
from all over the world that you know

1860
01:09:58,390 --> 01:09:55,679
that are not in ufology that understand

1861
01:10:01,430 --> 01:09:58,400
that i'm doing something of merit

1862
01:10:04,310 --> 01:10:01,440
and you know so that to me gives that's

1863
01:10:06,390 --> 01:10:04,320
that's what i'm here for so i

1864
01:10:07,590 --> 01:10:06,400
that's that's great and i guess people

1865
01:10:14,229 --> 01:10:07,600
who

1866
01:10:15,430 --> 01:10:14,239
aren't necessarily telling the truth

1867
01:10:17,030 --> 01:10:15,440
because it makes them feel better and

1868
01:10:19,910 --> 01:10:17,040
maybe they get popularity points they

1869
01:10:23,910 --> 01:10:19,920
didn't get in high school then i guess

1870
01:10:25,189 --> 01:10:23,920
you know rock on we all have our

1871
01:10:29,030 --> 01:10:25,199
we

1872
01:10:31,189 --> 01:10:29,040
but i forget

1873
01:10:33,590 --> 01:10:31,199
those people are what i commonly call

1874
01:10:36,149 --> 01:10:33,600
the ufo circle jerk crowd

1875
01:10:38,070 --> 01:10:36,159
and that gets me in trouble but my is my

1876
01:10:41,189 --> 01:10:38,080
david holy water after thinking about

1877
01:10:43,189 --> 01:10:41,199
that one my but but see my whole premise

1878
01:10:46,310 --> 01:10:43,199
is this if if you're if you're a show

1879
01:10:48,310 --> 01:10:46,320
host or podcast host or whatever and you

1880
01:10:51,669 --> 01:10:48,320
have one of these ufo celebrities on who

1881
01:10:54,870 --> 01:10:51,679
has obviously used fake sources child

1882
01:10:56,229 --> 01:10:54,880
molester sources murderer sources dead

1883
01:10:57,910 --> 01:10:56,239
sources that they couldn't have

1884
01:10:59,270 --> 01:10:57,920
interviewed at the time they claimed to

1885
01:11:00,870 --> 01:10:59,280
have interviewed them because they died

1886
01:11:02,709 --> 01:11:00,880
six years prior

1887
01:11:04,550 --> 01:11:02,719
that you have a responsibility to ask

1888
01:11:06,790 --> 01:11:04,560
those ufo celebrities those hard

1889
01:11:08,470 --> 01:11:06,800
questions right and so many of these

1890
01:11:10,870 --> 01:11:08,480
people don't do it they do the ufo

1891
01:11:12,870 --> 01:11:10,880
circle jerk just let them talk

1892
01:11:15,030 --> 01:11:12,880
praise them and all their excellent work

1893
01:11:17,350 --> 01:11:15,040
for disclosure right

1894
01:11:19,590 --> 01:11:17,360
and and and on goes the circle jerk and

1895
01:11:21,430 --> 01:11:19,600
we get nowhere you know

1896
01:11:22,950 --> 01:11:21,440
you don't do that i want to make it very

1897
01:11:25,510 --> 01:11:22,960
clear

1898
01:11:28,229 --> 01:11:25,520
thank you not run ufo circle jerks on

1899
01:11:31,590 --> 01:11:28,239
her channel so we want to plug that

1900
01:11:33,750 --> 01:11:31,600
there is no ufo circle jerking going on

1901
01:11:34,790 --> 01:11:33,760
with erica that's good that's good to

1902
01:11:35,750 --> 01:11:34,800
know

1903
01:11:37,990 --> 01:11:35,760
i don't really make you feel

1904
01:11:39,510 --> 01:11:38,000
uncomfortable but it is funny someone

1905
01:11:41,110 --> 01:11:39,520
asked earlier i think this would be a

1906
01:11:44,470 --> 01:11:41,120
good one to end on because i know we're

1907
01:11:46,550 --> 01:11:44,480
over time and i apologize but you know

1908
01:11:49,189 --> 01:11:46,560
this is a great question somebody asked

1909
01:11:53,510 --> 01:11:49,199
earlier what is your favorite case

1910
01:11:57,669 --> 01:11:55,990
not to put you on the spot but

1911
01:11:58,950 --> 01:11:57,679
what is your favorite case

1912
01:11:59,910 --> 01:11:58,960
look at this

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and why

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01:12:02,709 --> 01:12:01,280
hmm

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01:12:06,830 --> 01:12:02,719
um

1916
01:12:09,430 --> 01:12:06,840
you you know that it's uh wow

1917
01:12:10,950 --> 01:12:09,440
i write

1918
01:12:13,030 --> 01:12:10,960
i need to think about this because i'm

1919
01:12:15,990 --> 01:12:13,040
so jaded and cynical right now i'm just

1920
01:12:18,550 --> 01:12:16,000
like i know i have i i just decided on

1921
01:12:19,990 --> 01:12:18,560
roswell and the cash lander incident

1922
01:12:22,550 --> 01:12:20,000
myself because

1923
01:12:25,350 --> 01:12:22,560
those two haven't been disproven to my

1924
01:12:28,149 --> 01:12:25,360
satisfaction yet as being you know

1925
01:12:30,310 --> 01:12:28,159
nothing to see here you know and i guess

1926
01:12:32,390 --> 01:12:30,320
you know my my favorite case i can't

1927
01:12:34,390 --> 01:12:32,400
point to a you know case that's widely

1928
01:12:36,630 --> 01:12:34,400
known but what i can say

1929
01:12:38,870 --> 01:12:36,640
is you know when i will get this out

1930
01:12:40,709 --> 01:12:38,880
there and thank you for asking me about

1931
01:12:43,350 --> 01:12:40,719
the what happened in norway and some of

1932
01:12:46,229 --> 01:12:43,360
that video interview but i did interview

1933
01:12:48,550 --> 01:12:46,239
a man who was in his late 70s and he and

1934
01:12:51,110 --> 01:12:48,560
his his sister was a part of uh the

1935
01:12:52,709 --> 01:12:51,120
portal the heshtallin phenomena uh that

1936
01:12:55,510 --> 01:12:52,719
was a wonderful documentary and i

1937
01:12:58,070 --> 01:12:55,520
interviewed him with the help of erling

1938
01:12:59,669 --> 01:12:58,080
strand who translated for me and he

1939
01:13:01,590 --> 01:12:59,679
spoke about the different sightings he

1940
01:13:04,550 --> 01:13:01,600
had and how

1941
01:13:06,070 --> 01:13:04,560
how how kind of traumatized people were

1942
01:13:08,709 --> 01:13:06,080
and and things and that was a really

1943
01:13:10,390 --> 01:13:08,719
profound moment and i think

1944
01:13:13,430 --> 01:13:10,400
for me that's

1945
01:13:15,510 --> 01:13:13,440
where the great cases are and so it's

1946
01:13:16,310 --> 01:13:15,520
not one big case i can't you know point

1947
01:13:18,229 --> 01:13:16,320
two

1948
01:13:20,229 --> 01:13:18,239
to some of the lesser known ones are the

1949
01:13:21,910 --> 01:13:20,239
most interesting to me because it's new

1950
01:13:23,910 --> 01:13:21,920
to me you know

1951
01:13:26,709 --> 01:13:23,920
and it hasn't been proven to be garbage

1952
01:13:29,350 --> 01:13:26,719
yet so you get to do that whole dance

1953
01:13:30,950 --> 01:13:29,360
again until you decide

1954
01:13:32,630 --> 01:13:30,960
right

1955
01:13:34,390 --> 01:13:32,640
so what's coming up

1956
01:13:37,430 --> 01:13:34,400
what's coming up on your channel going

1957
01:13:38,470 --> 01:13:37,440
forward what are you guys playing lord

1958
01:13:40,149 --> 01:13:38,480
um

1959
01:13:42,229 --> 01:13:40,159
i know you're not playing in any ufo

1960
01:13:43,270 --> 01:13:42,239
circle jerks though so thank you thank

1961
01:13:46,790 --> 01:13:43,280
you

1962
01:13:49,270 --> 01:13:46,800
uh that

1963
01:13:51,270 --> 01:13:49,280
scott's always digging into something

1964
01:13:53,830 --> 01:13:51,280
and so are you so i'm curious to see

1965
01:13:55,590 --> 01:13:53,840
what you got he's pretty so annoying i

1966
01:13:58,550 --> 01:13:55,600
love scott

1967
01:14:00,870 --> 01:13:58,560
um yeah so so this week i'm interviewing

1968
01:14:02,630 --> 01:14:00,880
a fellow who just passed away i mean

1969
01:14:03,910 --> 01:14:02,640
actually i interviewed him two weeks ago

1970
01:14:06,790 --> 01:14:03,920
thank goodness

1971
01:14:08,630 --> 01:14:06,800
he is a poet a scholar he worked in

1972
01:14:11,590 --> 01:14:08,640
military intelligence and had a couple

1973
01:14:15,669 --> 01:14:11,600
very profound ufo sightings as a an

1974
01:14:17,510 --> 01:14:15,679
expert uh in the native american uh

1975
01:14:20,229 --> 01:14:17,520
culture here in utah and i interviewed

1976
01:14:22,390 --> 01:14:20,239
him two weeks ago oh that's interesting

1977
01:14:23,910 --> 01:14:22,400
and so he just passed away

1978
01:14:25,669 --> 01:14:23,920
uh last week

1979
01:14:28,950 --> 01:14:25,679
oh jeez and you interviewed him two

1980
01:14:30,950 --> 01:14:28,960
weeks ago yeah yeah i did so

1981
01:14:33,030 --> 01:14:30,960
i am going to be it was it was really

1982
01:14:34,790 --> 01:14:33,040
bizarre but it was a beautiful

1983
01:14:38,229 --> 01:14:34,800
interview he was such a such a was such

1984
01:14:40,790 --> 01:14:38,239
a lovely man an amazing uh spirit he had

1985
01:14:42,950 --> 01:14:40,800
done beautiful work he was he's he was

1986
01:14:44,550 --> 01:14:42,960
lds and

1987
01:14:46,149 --> 01:14:44,560
it was interesting to talk with him

1988
01:14:48,950 --> 01:14:46,159
about his faith

1989
01:14:50,790 --> 01:14:48,960
and about ufos and the unknown and

1990
01:14:53,110 --> 01:14:50,800
things and so that's that'll be coming

1991
01:14:55,189 --> 01:14:53,120
up this friday and i think that's to me

1992
01:14:56,709 --> 01:14:55,199
to to interview people like that and to

1993
01:15:00,310 --> 01:14:56,719
get there

1994
01:15:02,390 --> 01:15:00,320
to get them uh preserved their memories

1995
01:15:04,470 --> 01:15:02,400
this last testimony right thing right

1996
01:15:06,229 --> 01:15:04,480
yeah so that yeah and i want to mention

1997
01:15:09,110 --> 01:15:06,239
that we're doing these replays for my

1998
01:15:11,270 --> 01:15:09,120
old audio podcast radio show and this

1999
01:15:13,189 --> 01:15:11,280
thursday we're going to be airing my

2000
01:15:15,990 --> 01:15:13,199
interview with stan friedman which was

2001
01:15:17,510 --> 01:15:16,000
made not long before he died so that's

2002
01:15:19,590 --> 01:15:17,520
another one of those interviews that

2003
01:15:20,630 --> 01:15:19,600
most people haven't heard that one so

2004
01:15:24,229 --> 01:15:20,640
we're going to put it on the channel

2005
01:15:25,830 --> 01:15:24,239
here that's this thursday at uh 8 p.m

2006
01:15:27,110 --> 01:15:25,840
and that i feel the same way about that

2007
01:15:29,910 --> 01:15:27,120
i thought

2008
01:15:32,310 --> 01:15:29,920
i talked to him privately off air up a

2009
01:15:34,229 --> 01:15:32,320
whole bunch of times and i and then he

2010
01:15:36,149 --> 01:15:34,239
would always take my calls and i was a

2011
01:15:37,430 --> 01:15:36,159
nobody to him he didn't know who i was

2012
01:15:39,510 --> 01:15:37,440
when i first started calling him he just

2013
01:15:41,990 --> 01:15:39,520
had his phone number on his website and

2014
01:15:44,310 --> 01:15:42,000
i had questions about this or that and

2015
01:15:46,550 --> 01:15:44,320
he was always very kind to me but then

2016
01:15:47,669 --> 01:15:46,560
one day i got up the gumption to ask him

2017
01:15:49,350 --> 01:15:47,679
for the interview i didn't think he

2018
01:15:51,510 --> 01:15:49,360
would do it and just said

2019
01:15:53,590 --> 01:15:51,520
sure kid what time do you want to do it

2020
01:15:54,550 --> 01:15:53,600
and wait wait wait wait

2021
01:15:59,110 --> 01:15:54,560
yeah

2022
01:15:59,990 --> 01:15:59,120
uh about

2023
01:16:02,149 --> 01:16:00,000
uh

2024
01:16:04,550 --> 01:16:02,159
jeremy corbell and

2025
01:16:07,430 --> 01:16:04,560
and things and so and just the

2026
01:16:09,110 --> 01:16:07,440
kind of the the bob lazar the retelling

2027
01:16:10,550 --> 01:16:09,120
of the bob lazar thing so it was really

2028
01:16:13,189 --> 01:16:10,560
interesting so

2029
01:16:14,149 --> 01:16:13,199
yeah he uh he told me something that

2030
01:16:18,470 --> 01:16:14,159
not

2031
01:16:20,390 --> 01:16:18,480
i i won't always be here to set the

2032
01:16:22,149 --> 01:16:20,400
record straight so some of you younger

2033
01:16:24,790 --> 01:16:22,159
guys and researchers are going to have

2034
01:16:26,550 --> 01:16:24,800
to try to keep these people honest and

2035
01:16:29,270 --> 01:16:26,560
he told me and this stuck with me to

2036
01:16:31,270 --> 01:16:29,280
today he said i know it's hard because

2037
01:16:33,750 --> 01:16:31,280
people so desperately want to believe in

2038
01:16:35,669 --> 01:16:33,760
this bob lazar or other stories but the

2039
01:16:38,070 --> 01:16:35,679
facts are the facts

2040
01:16:40,390 --> 01:16:38,080
and and you know you can't argue with

2041
01:16:42,390 --> 01:16:40,400
them you can you cannot like them but

2042
01:16:45,510 --> 01:16:42,400
you can't argue with them kid you always

2043
01:16:47,030 --> 01:16:45,520
called me kid which is cute yeah

2044
01:16:48,790 --> 01:16:47,040
it's funny and i love

2045
01:16:50,550 --> 01:16:48,800
you know i think to me

2046
01:16:52,229 --> 01:16:50,560
whether i find the truth at the end of

2047
01:16:54,709 --> 01:16:52,239
the day or not

2048
01:16:55,669 --> 01:16:54,719
it's that the intimate conversations

2049
01:16:58,709 --> 01:16:55,679
i've had

2050
01:17:01,110 --> 01:16:58,719
with people getting people on the record

2051
01:17:02,950 --> 01:17:01,120
and preserving that and a little bit

2052
01:17:05,189 --> 01:17:02,960
about themselves so hopefully other

2053
01:17:08,070 --> 01:17:05,199
generations other people can learn when

2054
01:17:10,390 --> 01:17:08,080
they come into this that's a really cool

2055
01:17:12,390 --> 01:17:10,400
cool thing that keeps me going

2056
01:17:15,110 --> 01:17:12,400
yeah and uh sixth sense is kindly

2057
01:17:16,229 --> 01:17:15,120
sharing your erica luke's ufo classifier

2058
01:17:18,790 --> 01:17:16,239
you website

2059
01:17:20,310 --> 01:17:18,800
uh and and also the channel address is

2060
01:17:21,910 --> 01:17:20,320
right in the description of this video

2061
01:17:23,270 --> 01:17:21,920
so please go over there and let's get

2062
01:17:25,030 --> 01:17:23,280
her a bump

2063
01:17:27,669 --> 01:17:25,040
you know uh

2064
01:17:30,470 --> 01:17:27,679
it's well well deserved and uh and her

2065
01:17:31,669 --> 01:17:30,480
partner do an incredible job so i'm

2066
01:17:33,750 --> 01:17:31,679
going to throw you out of here but i

2067
01:17:35,430 --> 01:17:33,760
hope you won't be a stranger no i would

2068
01:17:37,830 --> 01:17:35,440
love to come back and then

2069
01:17:40,149 --> 01:17:37,840
i'd like you to be a yeah absolutely

2070
01:17:42,070 --> 01:17:40,159
let's do that and if you like i'll just

2071
01:17:43,510 --> 01:17:42,080
i could just uh give you the recording

2072
01:17:45,189 --> 01:17:43,520
to this and you're free to upload it to

2073
01:17:47,270 --> 01:17:45,199
your channel as well so we both get

2074
01:17:49,030 --> 01:17:47,280
content out of it absolutely we'll do it

2075
01:17:51,270 --> 01:17:49,040
thank you okay i'm going to throw you

2076
01:17:52,630 --> 01:17:51,280
out of here okay good evening thank you

2077
01:17:54,470 --> 01:17:52,640
absolutely and thanks guys thanks

2078
01:17:56,950 --> 01:17:54,480
everybody in chat you guys are awesome

2079
01:17:58,630 --> 01:17:56,960
so take care good night

2080
01:18:01,189 --> 01:17:58,640
all right friends what can i say what

2081
01:18:02,229 --> 01:18:01,199
what a great girl i'm glad that she's

2082
01:18:04,550 --> 01:18:02,239
out there

2083
01:18:06,950 --> 01:18:04,560
digging into some of this stuff

2084
01:18:09,830 --> 01:18:06,960
and is one of those people that are

2085
01:18:11,350 --> 01:18:09,840
grounded and you know cares about the

2086
01:18:14,310 --> 01:18:11,360
truth more than she cares about

2087
01:18:15,910 --> 01:18:14,320
perpetuating fantasies for people that

2088
01:18:18,070 --> 01:18:15,920
just want to believe

2089
01:18:19,750 --> 01:18:18,080
and it's interesting and you hear we

2090
01:18:22,310 --> 01:18:19,760
both kind of went through this similar

2091
01:18:24,630 --> 01:18:22,320
arc of you know you can see the

2092
01:18:26,470 --> 01:18:24,640
difference in both of our work as time

2093
01:18:29,510 --> 01:18:26,480
progressed for both of us

2094
01:18:32,630 --> 01:18:29,520
the more we dug the more cynical we both

2095
01:18:35,189 --> 01:18:32,640
got the more we dug the more

2096
01:18:37,110 --> 01:18:35,199
you know uh i i suppose the more our

2097
01:18:39,990 --> 01:18:37,120
cognitive dissonance started falling

2098
01:18:42,790 --> 01:18:40,000
away in our our

2099
01:18:44,870 --> 01:18:42,800
desperate want to believe that this is

2100
01:18:45,669 --> 01:18:44,880
all true started falling away and we got

2101
01:18:47,669 --> 01:18:45,679
more

2102
01:18:50,470 --> 01:18:47,679
practical going forward

2103
01:18:52,070 --> 01:18:50,480
i am going to go over and read the super

2104
01:18:53,990 --> 01:18:52,080
chats for those who don't know there is

2105
01:18:56,470 --> 01:18:54,000
a money button down there and you too

2106
01:18:59,189 --> 01:18:56,480
can hit that money button and support

2107
01:18:59,990 --> 01:18:59,199
our show you can also uh donate through

2108
01:19:02,470 --> 01:19:00,000
uh

2109
01:19:05,189 --> 01:19:02,480
there's a paypal donate button in the

2110
01:19:07,830 --> 01:19:05,199
about section of our channel here and in

2111
01:19:10,390 --> 01:19:07,840
the about section of the video here

2112
01:19:12,070 --> 01:19:10,400
finally you can join me on patreon for

2113
01:19:14,229 --> 01:19:12,080
as little as a dollar a month and you

2114
01:19:16,390 --> 01:19:14,239
get a bunch of behind the scenes

2115
01:19:19,669 --> 01:19:16,400
um

2116
01:19:20,870 --> 01:19:19,679
extra content that yeah it's uh it's on

2117
01:19:22,870 --> 01:19:20,880
patreon

2118
01:19:25,510 --> 01:19:22,880
just a mention that if anybody's having

2119
01:19:27,510 --> 01:19:25,520
a hard time and you'd like to patreon

2120
01:19:29,430 --> 01:19:27,520
extra content that we produce here every

2121
01:19:31,350 --> 01:19:29,440
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2122
01:19:32,830 --> 01:19:31,360
hey uh i know it's rough out there so

2123
01:19:34,310 --> 01:19:32,840
just email me at

2124
01:19:36,709 --> 01:19:34,320
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2125
01:19:38,390 --> 01:19:36,719
spreadsheet of people's email addresses

2126
01:19:41,350 --> 01:19:38,400
that we send the patreon benefits for

2127
01:19:43,590 --> 01:19:41,360
free i listen i don't really

2128
01:19:45,189 --> 01:19:43,600
uh love having anything behind a paywall

2129
01:19:46,709 --> 01:19:45,199
even though it's only a dollar i realize

2130
01:19:48,470 --> 01:19:46,719
that some people are fans of the show

2131
01:19:50,149 --> 01:19:48,480
having a tough time and

2132
01:19:53,270 --> 01:19:50,159
you know we want to accommodate you so

2133
01:19:55,189 --> 01:19:53,280
just email me truthseekershow gmail.com

2134
01:19:57,910 --> 01:19:55,199
also be sure to follow me on twitter

2135
01:19:59,350 --> 01:19:57,920
it's just my name at stephencampion

2136
01:20:00,790 --> 01:19:59,360
on twitter

2137
01:20:01,590 --> 01:20:00,800
and finally

2138
01:20:03,270 --> 01:20:01,600
uh

2139
01:20:06,070 --> 01:20:03,280
we're gonna read these super chat

2140
01:20:07,590 --> 01:20:06,080
donations uh and yes i want to once

2141
01:20:09,590 --> 01:20:07,600
again remind people that this coming

2142
01:20:10,390 --> 01:20:09,600
thursday 8pm eastern time we're going to

2143
01:20:14,470 --> 01:20:10,400
have

2144
01:20:17,430 --> 01:20:14,480
a very little heard interview with uh

2145
01:20:20,229 --> 01:20:17,440
the late great stanton friedman who i

2146
01:20:22,470 --> 01:20:20,239
was a huge fan of uh and uh you know i'm

2147
01:20:25,669 --> 01:20:22,480
happy to say that i got to know him

2148
01:20:28,709 --> 01:20:25,679
uh pretty well before his passing and uh

2149
01:20:30,470 --> 01:20:28,719
and i'm a better person for it i'm

2150
01:20:32,550 --> 01:20:30,480
certainly a better researcher for some

2151
01:20:34,229 --> 01:20:32,560
of the things that he taught me

2152
01:20:36,390 --> 01:20:34,239
and uh

2153
01:20:38,229 --> 01:20:36,400
i'm gonna be

2154
01:20:40,790 --> 01:20:38,239
just happy that people can finally hear

2155
01:20:43,189 --> 01:20:40,800
that on a bigger platform you know on

2156
01:20:45,990 --> 01:20:43,199
the radio show the audio podcast i mean

2157
01:20:46,709 --> 01:20:46,000
a few people heard but not not many

2158
01:20:48,950 --> 01:20:46,719
so

2159
01:20:50,629 --> 01:20:48,960
tune in this thursday night 8 p.m

2160
01:20:52,870 --> 01:20:50,639
eastern standard time and we'll be

2161
01:20:55,350 --> 01:20:52,880
airing the full interview to our

2162
01:20:59,750 --> 01:20:55,360
interview with the legend himself the

2163
01:21:02,870 --> 01:21:01,350
so we're going to

2164
01:21:05,669 --> 01:21:02,880
let me go over to

2165
01:21:09,350 --> 01:21:07,350
let me look up the super chats i

2166
01:21:12,310 --> 01:21:09,360
apologize but it's a little distracting

2167
01:21:14,390 --> 01:21:12,320
to we read every super chat here so

2168
01:21:16,229 --> 01:21:14,400
that's weird because i'm trying to get

2169
01:21:18,149 --> 01:21:16,239
up oh maybe i have to refresh because i

2170
01:21:19,830 --> 01:21:18,159
know there was a few more

2171
01:21:20,550 --> 01:21:19,840
uh one we missed

2172
01:21:22,390 --> 01:21:20,560
but

2173
01:21:25,350 --> 01:21:22,400
there was a few more

2174
01:21:26,709 --> 01:21:25,360
so any super chats get them in now while

2175
01:21:30,070 --> 01:21:26,719
you can

2176
01:21:32,470 --> 01:21:30,080
i'm happy to read every we read each and

2177
01:21:33,830 --> 01:21:32,480
every single super chat here so we're

2178
01:21:35,510 --> 01:21:33,840
going to read the super chats then i'll

2179
01:21:37,430 --> 01:21:35,520
dedicate some time and attention to the

2180
01:21:39,590 --> 01:21:37,440
live chat with comments questions if you

2181
01:21:41,430 --> 01:21:39,600
have comments or questions for me

2182
01:21:43,110 --> 01:21:41,440
please get them in now put them in all

2183
01:21:45,030 --> 01:21:43,120
caps that lets me know that those

2184
01:21:48,070 --> 01:21:45,040
comments and questions are directed at

2185
01:21:49,270 --> 01:21:48,080
me and not someone else in the live chat

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and lets me know that you have a

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question or comment you want read or

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talked about

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01:21:57,669 --> 01:21:55,760
and we welcome the participation of

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everyone in the live chat

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01:22:03,189 --> 01:22:00,159
so this is our super

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chat and stickers activity for the show

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01:22:07,910 --> 01:22:06,320
where we read anonymous rex uh

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01:22:10,470 --> 01:22:07,920
message but we'll read it again kind and

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generous 499 any thoughts on the 2019

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01:22:13,510 --> 01:22:12,000
bainbridge island tic tac event if

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01:22:14,629 --> 01:22:13,520
you're looking for more info i'll put

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details

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01:22:18,070 --> 01:22:16,719
up here on youtube thank you and yes i

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01:22:20,550 --> 01:22:18,080
encourage everybody i'm going to check

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01:22:23,030 --> 01:22:20,560
out anonymous rex and what has he got

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uh picks with a kind and generous five

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01:22:26,709 --> 01:22:25,280
dollar super chat great guest praise the

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01:22:28,550 --> 01:22:26,719
cash thank you for your kindness your

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01:22:30,709 --> 01:22:28,560
generosity and your support

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01:22:33,750 --> 01:22:30,719
matthew riot with two of them a double

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01:22:35,430 --> 01:22:33,760
banger tonight kind and generous 4.99

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uh reminding erica if she wants any

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cassettes digitized let him know just

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got done with the bunch myself for the

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discord archive

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and matthew riot with the kind of

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generous additional second 499 super

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01:22:49,750 --> 01:22:48,080
chat says what's erica's documentary on

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01:22:51,830 --> 01:22:49,760
hashtale and call those it's still up

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for free on youtube and she explained

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there are some portions of that and

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maybe she has to get the thing and glue

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it together and uh

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we'll work on that uh i'm not sure the

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entire thing is up and marina mavrogenis

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i'm so glad that i'm finally saying that

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01:23:09,110 --> 01:23:07,360
right on the first try every time marina

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01:23:11,270 --> 01:23:09,120
thank you for your continued kindness

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01:23:15,189 --> 01:23:11,280
generosity and your support of the show

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01:23:17,030 --> 01:23:15,199
i want to remind everybody that we are a

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01:23:18,950 --> 01:23:17,040
viewer-supported show and every dollar

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01:23:20,390 --> 01:23:18,960
goes back towards

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01:23:22,790 --> 01:23:20,400
uh

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01:23:24,709 --> 01:23:22,800
every dollar donated goes back towards

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01:23:27,430 --> 01:23:24,719
generating new content getting us the

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01:23:30,149 --> 01:23:27,440
software we need the equipment we need

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01:23:31,910 --> 01:23:30,159
uh paying for the cloud storage that we

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01:23:34,390 --> 01:23:31,920
need to do this work

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01:23:37,030 --> 01:23:34,400
it all goes back into the pile

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01:23:39,830 --> 01:23:37,040
uh that we use to

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01:23:43,189 --> 01:23:39,840
keep moving the show forward

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01:23:44,870 --> 01:23:43,199
so any questions or uh matthew ryan says

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01:23:46,870 --> 01:23:44,880
thanks for asking those can be my

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pleasure absolutely

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01:23:51,270 --> 01:23:49,199
uh rebecca turner reminding everybody

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01:23:52,149 --> 01:23:51,280
that youtube's been weird all day every

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01:23:54,470 --> 01:23:52,159
pilot

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01:23:56,310 --> 01:23:54,480
notification i got today i got a 404

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01:23:57,669 --> 01:23:56,320
error when i clicked it anyone else had

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01:24:00,149 --> 01:23:57,679
that happen

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01:24:02,229 --> 01:24:00,159
have not heard that spooky reminding

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01:24:03,990 --> 01:24:02,239
somebody to call into the show that

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01:24:05,830 --> 01:24:04,000
might be difficult because i'm not sure

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where my phone is and it's pretty dark

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01:24:12,310 --> 01:24:09,440
in here in case nobody uh noticed we got

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01:24:15,510 --> 01:24:12,320
these weird lights going again in fact i

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01:24:17,430 --> 01:24:15,520
got new weird lights

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01:24:19,910 --> 01:24:17,440
i really don't like

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with uh with the software that we use

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01:24:24,229 --> 01:24:21,840
that we can't do an animated background

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01:24:26,229 --> 01:24:24,239
because after all it is a video show

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01:24:27,590 --> 01:24:26,239
and animated backgrounds are cool but

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01:24:29,669 --> 01:24:27,600
the green screen function in the

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01:24:31,350 --> 01:24:29,679
software we use doesn't allow animated

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01:24:34,229 --> 01:24:31,360
backgrounds i'm working on a way of

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01:24:36,470 --> 01:24:34,239
bridging in obs and doing it that way

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01:24:39,030 --> 01:24:36,480
but until then we're cheating and using

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01:24:40,950 --> 01:24:39,040
these animated weird lights

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01:24:43,669 --> 01:24:40,960
which i'm a big fan of some people don't

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01:24:44,790 --> 01:24:43,679
like to set this dark but trust me trust

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01:24:49,750 --> 01:24:44,800
me

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01:24:52,070 --> 01:24:49,760
i am in bright lights okay my mother

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01:24:53,590 --> 01:24:52,080
always said i had a face for radio

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01:24:55,110 --> 01:24:53,600
uh and by the way i want to remind

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01:24:57,350 --> 01:24:55,120
everybody if you're listening in audio

2272
01:24:59,830 --> 01:24:57,360
podcast land you are missing half the

2273
01:25:02,149 --> 01:24:59,840
fun please do come over to youtube put

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01:25:03,750 --> 01:25:02,159
true seekers in the search bar look for

2275
01:25:05,430 --> 01:25:03,760
the strange guy with sunglasses that

2276
01:25:08,870 --> 01:25:05,440
would be me your host stephen campion

2277
01:25:11,270 --> 01:25:08,880
and smash that subscribe button hit that

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01:25:12,950 --> 01:25:11,280
notification bell and you too will know

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01:25:16,070 --> 01:25:12,960
when we're doing a live show and you can

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01:25:18,709 --> 01:25:16,080
come here and be a part you hear we're

2281
01:25:21,110 --> 01:25:18,719
taking questions from the live chat

2282
01:25:22,870 --> 01:25:21,120
we are taking comments from the live

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01:25:24,470 --> 01:25:22,880
chat it's a very interactive show if

2284
01:25:26,790 --> 01:25:24,480
you're listening an audio podcast land

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01:25:28,470 --> 01:25:26,800
you get the show which i'm glad that

2286
01:25:30,870 --> 01:25:28,480
you're able to listen to there but

2287
01:25:32,149 --> 01:25:30,880
you're missing the live interaction so

2288
01:25:34,229 --> 01:25:32,159
if you want to be a part of this great

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01:25:36,790 --> 01:25:34,239
community come over here while we're

2290
01:25:38,550 --> 01:25:36,800
doing a live stream all the shows here

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01:25:41,270 --> 01:25:38,560
on truth seekers are recorded 100

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01:25:42,550 --> 01:25:41,280
percent live sometimes warts and all

2293
01:25:44,070 --> 01:25:42,560
strange things happen when you're

2294
01:25:46,310 --> 01:25:44,080
recording a live show

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01:25:49,350 --> 01:25:46,320
but we take the audio from the live show

2296
01:25:52,390 --> 01:25:49,360
and push it out into audio podcast land

2297
01:25:54,950 --> 01:25:52,400
so would really prefer it if you came

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01:25:56,709 --> 01:25:54,960
over here to youtube and smash that

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01:25:58,550 --> 01:25:56,719
subscribe button and we'll remind

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01:26:01,510 --> 01:25:58,560
everybody else that is listening either

2301
01:26:04,149 --> 01:26:01,520
on facebook or twitch or uh

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01:26:06,870 --> 01:26:04,159
on youtube if you haven't already please

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01:26:09,189 --> 01:26:06,880
do smash that subscribe button hit that

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01:26:11,430 --> 01:26:09,199
notification bell and come here and be

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01:26:15,030 --> 01:26:11,440
part of the discussion you too can

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01:26:17,189 --> 01:26:15,040
become a part of this story

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01:26:18,149 --> 01:26:17,199
uh i also want to remind everybody that

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01:26:19,669 --> 01:26:18,159
besides

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01:26:21,110 --> 01:26:19,679
throwing money at me the other way that

2310
01:26:24,070 --> 01:26:21,120
you can help is to like comment

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01:26:26,229 --> 01:26:24,080
subscribe and share these videos every

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01:26:27,750 --> 01:26:26,239
comment every video i pick my favorite

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01:26:30,229 --> 01:26:27,760
comment and pin it to the top so

2314
01:26:32,149 --> 01:26:30,239
everybody gets to read it uh

2315
01:26:33,830 --> 01:26:32,159
every comment really does help with the

2316
01:26:36,390 --> 01:26:33,840
algorithm it helps raise us in the

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01:26:39,669 --> 01:26:36,400
search engine and it helps the ai

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01:26:41,189 --> 01:26:39,679
algorithm youtube gods like us more see

2319
01:26:43,590 --> 01:26:41,199
every little bit of interaction so

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01:26:45,910 --> 01:26:43,600
please smash that like button

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01:26:48,390 --> 01:26:45,920
share these videos on your social media

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01:26:50,470 --> 01:26:48,400
subscribe hit the notification bell

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01:26:52,470 --> 01:26:50,480
and uh

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01:26:55,270 --> 01:26:52,480
that will help us my friends to get a

2325
01:26:57,030 --> 01:26:55,280
bigger bullhorn

2326
01:26:59,590 --> 01:26:57,040
so rebecca turner is saying goodnight to

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01:27:01,110 --> 01:26:59,600
everybody uh rebecca turner also said

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01:27:03,030 --> 01:27:01,120
good show stephen was interesting i

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01:27:05,350 --> 01:27:03,040
liked her i'll check out her show yeah i

2330
01:27:06,709 --> 01:27:05,360
encourage everybody to and i apologize

2331
01:27:08,550 --> 01:27:06,719
for two things

2332
01:27:10,709 --> 01:27:08,560
to erica first i spelled her name with a

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01:27:12,629 --> 01:27:10,719
k instead of a c and then i said ufos

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01:27:15,990 --> 01:27:12,639
declassified and well aware the name of

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01:27:20,149 --> 01:27:16,000
her show is ufos classified or should be

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01:27:22,310 --> 01:27:20,159
uh you know so i apologize just uh you

2337
01:27:25,430 --> 01:27:22,320
know slip of the tongue there

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01:27:28,790 --> 01:27:25,440
but uh my apologies her

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01:27:31,030 --> 01:27:28,800
her button her uh channel address is in

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01:27:33,350 --> 01:27:31,040
the about section of this video or this

2341
01:27:35,270 --> 01:27:33,360
podcast and you two can go over there

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01:27:37,030 --> 01:27:35,280
hit the subscribe button and the

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01:27:39,669 --> 01:27:37,040
notification bell and know when she's

2344
01:27:42,790 --> 01:27:39,679
doing a live stream i highly recommend

2345
01:27:44,070 --> 01:27:42,800
her and her partner scott do a great job

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01:27:49,350 --> 01:27:44,080
uh

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01:27:52,470 --> 01:27:49,360
that c.w chatter gave a heads up about

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01:27:56,790 --> 01:27:52,480
wednesday boy what can i say friends

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01:27:58,470 --> 01:27:56,800
uh we have a banger a banger of a show

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01:28:00,470 --> 01:27:58,480
coming your way

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01:28:03,750 --> 01:28:00,480
this wednesday night

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01:28:05,910 --> 01:28:03,760
uh at 5 00 p.m i know that's a weird

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01:28:07,110 --> 01:28:05,920
time for us we're normally at 9 00 p.m

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01:28:09,350 --> 01:28:07,120
but

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01:28:10,870 --> 01:28:09,360
it appears to be that

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01:28:14,790 --> 01:28:10,880
the

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01:28:17,590 --> 01:28:14,800
broadcast with which i believe are all

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01:28:19,270 --> 01:28:17,600
in england you know they can't do 9 p.m

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01:28:20,390 --> 01:28:19,280
because it's because of the time

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01:28:21,669 --> 01:28:20,400
difference

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01:28:24,149 --> 01:28:21,679
so

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01:28:26,070 --> 01:28:24,159
what we're doing is doing it at 5 p.m

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01:28:29,350 --> 01:28:26,080
eastern standard time

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01:28:33,110 --> 01:28:29,360
and this my friends uh is this wednesday

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01:28:34,070 --> 01:28:33,120
october 27th 2021 5 p.m eastern standard

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01:28:35,990 --> 01:28:34,080
time

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01:28:37,830 --> 01:28:36,000
and i said earlier not to be missed

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01:28:40,070 --> 01:28:37,840
we'll be holding a true seeker special

2369
01:28:42,709 --> 01:28:40,080
event and simulcast

2370
01:28:44,229 --> 01:28:42,719
there will be stunning new revelations

2371
01:28:47,110 --> 01:28:44,239
that will come

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01:28:49,750 --> 01:28:47,120
and you do not want to miss this one

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01:28:51,430 --> 01:28:49,760
friends we have got the wonderful and

2374
01:28:52,550 --> 01:28:51,440
incredible kevin moore from the kevin

2375
01:28:54,550 --> 01:28:52,560
moore show

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01:28:57,510 --> 01:28:54,560
we have got joining us on the panel for

2377
01:28:59,350 --> 01:28:57,520
the simulcast and seeker of truth

2378
01:29:02,149 --> 01:28:59,360
we have got of course myself stephen

2379
01:29:05,510 --> 01:29:02,159
campion of truth seekers here hosting

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01:29:08,390 --> 01:29:05,520
we've got terry joyce from not my rabbit

2381
01:29:11,590 --> 01:29:08,400
hole we've got tap from the alathia

2382
01:29:14,070 --> 01:29:11,600
project uh which is a channel that i'm

2383
01:29:16,390 --> 01:29:14,080
just now becoming acquainted with

2384
01:29:18,629 --> 01:29:16,400
and boy do i love some of the stuff i've

2385
01:29:21,270 --> 01:29:18,639
heard on that channel and of course

2386
01:29:23,990 --> 01:29:21,280
we've got our friend the man the myth

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01:29:27,110 --> 01:29:24,000
cw channel joining us and we will be

2388
01:29:28,070 --> 01:29:27,120
discussing the hidden truth behind simon

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01:29:30,229 --> 01:29:28,080
parks

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01:29:32,229 --> 01:29:30,239
i gotta tell you that this is a lot of

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01:29:34,790 --> 01:29:32,239
people contributing research and

2392
01:29:36,149 --> 01:29:34,800
materials that we will be sharing

2393
01:29:38,950 --> 01:29:36,159
some of which

2394
01:29:42,149 --> 01:29:38,960
no one has ever heard before some of

2395
01:29:44,790 --> 01:29:42,159
which no one has ever seen before

2396
01:29:46,870 --> 01:29:44,800
and i guarantee you friends especially

2397
01:29:47,830 --> 01:29:46,880
if you love gotcha moments

2398
01:29:50,229 --> 01:29:47,840
uh

2399
01:29:51,510 --> 01:29:50,239
this will be one that you do not want to

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01:29:53,830 --> 01:29:51,520
miss

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01:29:56,310 --> 01:29:53,840
we consider this work that we're doing

2402
01:29:59,830 --> 01:29:56,320
wednesday a public service and so does

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01:30:02,470 --> 01:29:59,840
everyone involved so important are are

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01:30:06,149 --> 01:30:02,480
these materials that we will be sharing

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01:30:09,030 --> 01:30:06,159
that we felt the need to band together

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01:30:11,110 --> 01:30:09,040
as a strange team of sorts

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01:30:14,310 --> 01:30:11,120
to get this

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01:30:15,990 --> 01:30:14,320
message amplified

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01:30:18,390 --> 01:30:16,000
uh we believe that everybody will be

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01:30:20,470 --> 01:30:18,400
sharing this broadcast on their specific

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01:30:22,229 --> 01:30:20,480
channels along with me hosting it here

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01:30:23,990 --> 01:30:22,239
on our channel

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01:30:25,910 --> 01:30:24,000
uh and

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01:30:27,350 --> 01:30:25,920
because we will be banding together i

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01:30:28,950 --> 01:30:27,360
think kevin moore has a hundred thousand

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01:30:32,070 --> 01:30:28,960
subscribers and seeker of truth like

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01:30:33,750 --> 01:30:32,080
thirty thousand you know um

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01:30:34,950 --> 01:30:33,760
see every channel has five i'm not sure

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01:30:37,510 --> 01:30:34,960
on the others

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01:30:39,110 --> 01:30:37,520
uh off hand we have three thousand we're

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01:30:42,070 --> 01:30:39,120
going to be

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01:30:45,510 --> 01:30:42,080
banding together to amplify

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01:30:48,070 --> 01:30:45,520
uh this message and these revelations

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01:30:50,629 --> 01:30:48,080
because i i believe we all feel it's so

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01:30:53,430 --> 01:30:50,639
important uh of work

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01:30:55,750 --> 01:30:53,440
um that we all need to do this band

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01:30:58,070 --> 01:30:55,760
together to help more people hurt about

2428
01:30:59,189 --> 01:30:58,080
it hear about this so that will be this

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01:31:01,669 --> 01:30:59,199
wednesday

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01:31:05,430 --> 01:31:01,679
5 p.m eastern standard time this is

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01:31:07,750 --> 01:31:05,440
going to be one banger i i'm telling you

2432
01:31:10,790 --> 01:31:07,760
this is one that you do not want to miss

2433
01:31:13,430 --> 01:31:10,800
the live event for live special event

2434
01:31:16,950 --> 01:31:13,440
this wednesday october 27th

2435
01:31:19,189 --> 01:31:16,960
2021 5 pm eastern time the hidden truth

2436
01:31:20,310 --> 01:31:19,199
behind simon parks

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01:31:21,990 --> 01:31:20,320
don't

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01:31:22,950 --> 01:31:22,000
miss it folks

2439
01:31:25,030 --> 01:31:22,960
all right

2440
01:31:26,709 --> 01:31:25,040
so back to the live chat uh we'll take

2441
01:31:28,310 --> 01:31:26,719
some more comments and questions andrew

2442
01:31:30,149 --> 01:31:28,320
says thank you for being straightforward

2443
01:31:32,229 --> 01:31:30,159
honest human beings to you really enjoy

2444
01:31:35,030 --> 01:31:32,239
your show keep it going and thank you

2445
01:31:37,990 --> 01:31:35,040
well thank you for your kindness and for

2446
01:31:42,470 --> 01:31:40,310
encouraging words you know this is a

2447
01:31:44,149 --> 01:31:42,480
thankless job

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01:31:45,590 --> 01:31:44,159
and it's nice once in a while that

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01:31:47,830 --> 01:31:45,600
somebody lets me know that they

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01:31:49,430 --> 01:31:47,840
appreciate what i do the sixth sense

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01:31:52,709 --> 01:31:49,440
reminding everybody once again wednesday

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01:31:54,629 --> 01:31:52,719
october 27th 2021 5 pm eastern time

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01:31:56,470 --> 01:31:54,639
there's my twitter post

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01:31:59,110 --> 01:31:56,480
uh

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01:32:00,950 --> 01:31:59,120
advertising this wednesday show

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01:32:02,470 --> 01:32:00,960
and also success reminding everybody

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01:32:04,550 --> 01:32:02,480
about the kevin moore show youtube

2458
01:32:06,149 --> 01:32:04,560
channel you can put cw channelers and

2459
01:32:07,669 --> 01:32:06,159
everybody else is in there that you can

2460
01:32:08,790 --> 01:32:07,679
find quickly

2461
01:32:12,950 --> 01:32:08,800
uh

2462
01:32:15,030 --> 01:32:12,960
sixth sense will be wrapping things up

2463
01:32:19,270 --> 01:32:15,040
pragmatic says congrats on the creepiest

2464
01:32:22,070 --> 01:32:19,280
cw face at spooky yeah

2465
01:32:24,470 --> 01:32:22,080
uh yeah yeah and there's not my rabbit

2466
01:32:27,510 --> 01:32:24,480
hole with terry joyce uh

2467
01:32:29,030 --> 01:32:27,520
the youtube channel and it's the alithea

2468
01:32:32,070 --> 01:32:29,040
project is the other one that you might

2469
01:32:33,669 --> 01:32:32,080
be able to find uh sixth sense and m

2470
01:32:35,270 --> 01:32:33,679
seeker of truth i know that one's easy

2471
01:32:37,110 --> 01:32:35,280
to find just put m secret truth in the

2472
01:32:38,470 --> 01:32:37,120
search bar it'll pop right up but this

2473
01:32:41,510 --> 01:32:38,480
other one's kind of hard to spell and

2474
01:32:45,189 --> 01:32:41,520
say so give me a hand on that one would

2475
01:32:49,030 --> 01:32:47,030
out of mind says so moore is off the

2476
01:32:50,790 --> 01:32:49,040
douche nozzle list now hard to keep up

2477
01:32:53,110 --> 01:32:50,800
these days i don't know he's never been

2478
01:32:55,110 --> 01:32:53,120
on my douche nozzle list

2479
01:32:55,910 --> 01:32:55,120
i don't know if other people were uh you

2480
01:32:58,470 --> 01:32:55,920
know

2481
01:33:01,270 --> 01:32:58,480
uh putting him on that list he's not on

2482
01:33:03,910 --> 01:33:01,280
my dude he's always off the list

2483
01:33:05,510 --> 01:33:03,920
to me you know i talked to him today by

2484
01:33:07,990 --> 01:33:05,520
the way i want to thank kevin moore from

2485
01:33:10,470 --> 01:33:08,000
the kevin moore show who kindly offered

2486
01:33:12,390 --> 01:33:10,480
to let me host this special event and

2487
01:33:14,550 --> 01:33:12,400
and he's doing that to give me a hand he

2488
01:33:17,350 --> 01:33:14,560
really is and he should be recognized

2489
01:33:19,669 --> 01:33:17,360
for that uh because certainly him

2490
01:33:23,110 --> 01:33:19,679
letting me host with all of these other

2491
01:33:25,990 --> 01:33:23,120
channels boosting it um will be

2492
01:33:28,149 --> 01:33:26,000
beneficial for our channel and our

2493
01:33:30,870 --> 01:33:28,159
you know view count sub counts and hey

2494
01:33:32,709 --> 01:33:30,880
i'm saying this in full disclosure that

2495
01:33:34,310 --> 01:33:32,719
you know uh

2496
01:33:36,709 --> 01:33:34,320
kevin moore could have hosted on his own

2497
01:33:37,910 --> 01:33:36,719
channel but decided to let me do it

2498
01:33:39,669 --> 01:33:37,920
um

2499
01:33:41,990 --> 01:33:39,679
and then that's a great thing you know

2500
01:33:44,870 --> 01:33:42,000
he handed it off it's really his story

2501
01:33:46,550 --> 01:33:44,880
most of it and he's got a treasure trove

2502
01:33:49,510 --> 01:33:46,560
of materials

2503
01:33:51,270 --> 01:33:49,520
that he came across while researching

2504
01:33:54,229 --> 01:33:51,280
simon park's involvement in the mark

2505
01:33:56,390 --> 01:33:54,239
richards story and he thought that these

2506
01:33:59,110 --> 01:33:56,400
these materials and this stuff was so

2507
01:34:01,669 --> 01:33:59,120
important uh that were he wanted to put

2508
01:34:03,510 --> 01:34:01,679
together a special event to share it all

2509
01:34:05,990 --> 01:34:03,520
and there we have m seeker of truths

2510
01:34:08,229 --> 01:34:06,000
channel who will also be joining us for

2511
01:34:11,830 --> 01:34:08,239
this special event this wednesday night

2512
01:34:14,149 --> 01:34:11,840
at 5 p.m eastern standard time

2513
01:34:16,390 --> 01:34:14,159
no friends uh

2514
01:34:18,790 --> 01:34:16,400
you know you can go and spend your time

2515
01:34:20,070 --> 01:34:18,800
listening to a ufo circle jerk or you

2516
01:34:22,790 --> 01:34:20,080
could spend your time with real

2517
01:34:25,990 --> 01:34:22,800
researchers who have real facts and

2518
01:34:29,110 --> 01:34:26,000
evidence to share real revelations

2519
01:34:30,870 --> 01:34:29,120
that are important real work imagine

2520
01:34:33,270 --> 01:34:30,880
that we're not just going to sit around

2521
01:34:35,669 --> 01:34:33,280
and tell each other how great we are

2522
01:34:37,750 --> 01:34:35,679
uh we're not gonna just sit around and

2523
01:34:38,709 --> 01:34:37,760
softball questioning each other we're

2524
01:34:40,229 --> 01:34:38,719
gonna

2525
01:34:43,590 --> 01:34:40,239
come together

2526
01:34:46,950 --> 01:34:43,600
and do a very hard hitting impactful and

2527
01:34:48,229 --> 01:34:46,960
important expose on this very important

2528
01:34:50,390 --> 01:34:48,239
topic

2529
01:34:53,109 --> 01:34:50,400
uh and i and i hope that you will all

2530
01:34:55,189 --> 01:34:53,119
come and support us in doing so

2531
01:34:57,270 --> 01:34:55,199
dave tv i left for a minute and didn't

2532
01:35:00,149 --> 01:34:57,280
get to say goodbye to erica sorry about

2533
01:35:02,550 --> 01:35:00,159
that i'll pass it along to her uh dave

2534
01:35:04,870 --> 01:35:02,560
tv

2535
01:35:07,510 --> 01:35:04,880
yeah eric is great i want to thank her

2536
01:35:09,910 --> 01:35:07,520
again for doing for doing that doing

2537
01:35:10,790 --> 01:35:09,920
this tonight uh

2538
01:35:14,550 --> 01:35:10,800
yeah

2539
01:35:17,830 --> 01:35:14,560
the alathia project on youtube

2540
01:35:19,510 --> 01:35:17,840
uh yeah i heard him do this amazing

2541
01:35:22,229 --> 01:35:19,520
breakdown of some of the stuff that

2542
01:35:24,950 --> 01:35:22,239
simon parks is saying behind his paywall

2543
01:35:27,109 --> 01:35:24,960
oh boy is it good friends it is good

2544
01:35:30,709 --> 01:35:27,119
stuff when you hear

2545
01:35:33,350 --> 01:35:30,719
as if the stuff that simon park says in

2546
01:35:35,590 --> 01:35:33,360
public is not crazy enough

2547
01:35:37,109 --> 01:35:35,600
who would have guessed it that it gets

2548
01:35:39,830 --> 01:35:37,119
crazier

2549
01:35:40,950 --> 01:35:39,840
if you pay for the paywall right these

2550
01:35:42,950 --> 01:35:40,960
these

2551
01:35:45,590 --> 01:35:42,960
zoom you know

2552
01:35:47,990 --> 01:35:45,600
broadcast calls that he does

2553
01:35:53,910 --> 01:35:52,070
yes and uh tomorrow's show uh one second

2554
01:35:57,109 --> 01:35:53,920
friends uh let me just get into my

2555
01:35:59,750 --> 01:35:57,119
messages here because

2556
01:36:02,550 --> 01:35:59,760
yeah well just bear with me

2557
01:36:05,750 --> 01:36:02,560
yes we have another interview tomorrow

2558
01:36:06,709 --> 01:36:05,760
night at 9 00 pm and i'm trying to find

2559
01:36:08,950 --> 01:36:06,719
out

2560
01:36:10,870 --> 01:36:08,960
one second i have the uh i have the

2561
01:36:12,950 --> 01:36:10,880
whole breakdown of that that i can bring

2562
01:36:15,510 --> 01:36:12,960
you in the meantime comments questions

2563
01:36:17,669 --> 01:36:15,520
for me please put them in all caps

2564
01:36:20,390 --> 01:36:17,679
uh yes tomorrow we're gonna have another

2565
01:36:22,310 --> 01:36:20,400
bang-up show for you because uh listen

2566
01:36:24,070 --> 01:36:22,320
i'm good with let's bring some more

2567
01:36:25,910 --> 01:36:24,080
people here and hear other perspectives

2568
01:36:27,990 --> 01:36:25,920
on this phenomenon people want to hear

2569
01:36:29,750 --> 01:36:28,000
me do ufo coverage i decided the best

2570
01:36:31,189 --> 01:36:29,760
way i could do ufo coverage is to bring

2571
01:36:32,229 --> 01:36:31,199
people here

2572
01:36:34,070 --> 01:36:32,239
that

2573
01:36:36,390 --> 01:36:34,080
i feel are experts

2574
01:36:38,550 --> 01:36:36,400
that i'm somewhat familiar with

2575
01:36:42,149 --> 01:36:38,560
but not incredibly familiar with if at

2576
01:36:45,430 --> 01:36:42,159
all possible and pick their brain

2577
01:36:47,750 --> 01:36:45,440
so tomorrow night we have ryan stacy

2578
01:36:49,750 --> 01:36:47,760
and ryan stacy is from canada he's a

2579
01:36:51,990 --> 01:36:49,760
private investigator author citizen

2580
01:36:54,070 --> 01:36:52,000
journalist and an active canadian

2581
01:36:55,030 --> 01:36:54,080
ufologist in the canadian disclosure

2582
01:36:57,669 --> 01:36:55,040
movement

2583
01:36:59,910 --> 01:36:57,679
he's also a paranormal investigator the

2584
01:37:01,350 --> 01:36:59,920
formal national chief investigator from

2585
01:37:02,790 --> 01:37:01,360
mufan canada

2586
01:37:04,470 --> 01:37:02,800
and former director of field

2587
01:37:06,790 --> 01:37:04,480
investigator training for mufon

2588
01:37:08,629 --> 01:37:06,800
international

2589
01:37:11,669 --> 01:37:08,639
ryan is also the host of beyond the

2590
01:37:14,629 --> 01:37:11,679
tinfoil hat a podcast by the experiencer

2591
01:37:16,470 --> 01:37:14,639
support association

2592
01:37:24,870 --> 01:37:16,480
so we're going to be welcoming him

2593
01:37:27,990 --> 01:37:26,390
it's interesting

2594
01:37:31,990 --> 01:37:28,000
it will be interesting to get some new

2595
01:37:35,590 --> 01:37:33,910
our guest tomorrow night have been has

2596
01:37:38,310 --> 01:37:35,600
been deeply investigating this

2597
01:37:39,950 --> 01:37:38,320
phenomenon for quite some time

2598
01:37:42,229 --> 01:37:39,960
focusing most recently on the

2599
01:37:43,430 --> 01:37:42,239
experiencers and the experiencer

2600
01:37:46,470 --> 01:37:43,440
community

2601
01:37:48,709 --> 01:37:46,480
he does a uh sort of experience or

2602
01:37:50,950 --> 01:37:48,719
support network and we're going to hear

2603
01:37:52,390 --> 01:37:50,960
more about that tomorrow so thanks for

2604
01:37:55,270 --> 01:37:52,400
spooky for reminding me to plug

2605
01:38:01,109 --> 01:37:57,430
yes and there may be

2606
01:38:05,510 --> 01:38:02,870
there may be a show tomorrow we're

2607
01:38:07,189 --> 01:38:05,520
trying listen i gotta be honest and

2608
01:38:08,950 --> 01:38:07,199
speaking we should talk about these

2609
01:38:11,830 --> 01:38:08,960
things off air before we talk about them

2610
01:38:14,229 --> 01:38:11,840
on air but here we are so it's all good

2611
01:38:15,510 --> 01:38:14,239
i'm trying to get together another

2612
01:38:18,149 --> 01:38:15,520
sort of uh

2613
01:38:19,990 --> 01:38:18,159
quick analysis of some of the new claims

2614
01:38:21,910 --> 01:38:20,000
that david wilcock is making which are

2615
01:38:23,350 --> 01:38:21,920
very problematic essentially david

2616
01:38:25,590 --> 01:38:23,360
wilcock is saying

2617
01:38:26,870 --> 01:38:25,600
that his new hovercar

2618
01:38:28,229 --> 01:38:26,880
ceo

2619
01:38:30,870 --> 01:38:28,239
insider

2620
01:38:33,270 --> 01:38:30,880
uh who by the way ran an aviation

2621
01:38:34,310 --> 01:38:33,280
company for 25 years but hasn't managed

2622
01:38:39,189 --> 01:38:34,320
to

2623
01:38:41,910 --> 01:38:39,199
in 25 years of running an airplane

2624
01:38:44,390 --> 01:38:41,920
company according to david wilcock that

2625
01:38:45,510 --> 01:38:44,400
same guy built all kinds of spaceships

2626
01:38:47,109 --> 01:38:45,520
right

2627
01:38:49,590 --> 01:38:47,119
all kinds of spaceships and that's what

2628
01:38:51,270 --> 01:38:49,600
he's telling people apparently david

2629
01:38:54,149 --> 01:38:51,280
wilcock is telling people behind his

2630
01:38:56,870 --> 01:38:54,159
paywall if you sign up for the 333

2631
01:38:59,030 --> 01:38:56,880
course that his new insider ben who's

2632
01:38:59,830 --> 01:38:59,040
really just a failed aircraft company

2633
01:39:01,669 --> 01:38:59,840
guy

2634
01:39:04,149 --> 01:39:01,679
uh who ran a field aircraft company for

2635
01:39:05,990 --> 01:39:04,159
25 years and never turned a profit he's

2636
01:39:08,790 --> 01:39:06,000
telling everybody that guy built

2637
01:39:12,550 --> 01:39:08,800
spaceships for the secret space program

2638
01:39:14,550 --> 01:39:12,560
sure he did david wilcock sure he did uh

2639
01:39:16,229 --> 01:39:14,560
whenever i could get that together maybe

2640
01:39:18,390 --> 01:39:16,239
tomorrow maybe the next day but yes

2641
01:39:20,310 --> 01:39:18,400
we're going to try to pull some more

2642
01:39:23,189 --> 01:39:20,320
afternoon shows and by afternoon shows i

2643
01:39:24,790 --> 01:39:23,199
mean 1 p.m or so

2644
01:39:26,470 --> 01:39:24,800
you may have noticed that last week we

2645
01:39:30,709 --> 01:39:26,480
picked up our

2646
01:39:32,950 --> 01:39:30,719
that mean that means that we produced

2647
01:39:35,669 --> 01:39:32,960
more content last week than we have in

2648
01:39:38,390 --> 01:39:35,679
the in the history of the show

2649
01:39:40,390 --> 01:39:38,400
and we did that to see what would happen

2650
01:39:42,629 --> 01:39:40,400
and i got to tell you it was more or

2651
01:39:44,629 --> 01:39:42,639
less successful i was sad to see that

2652
01:39:47,189 --> 01:39:44,639
the very important show that i thought

2653
01:39:50,070 --> 01:39:47,199
was very important on the opioid crisis

2654
01:39:52,629 --> 01:39:50,080
did not do well in fact did about half

2655
01:39:55,270 --> 01:39:52,639
of the average views of our other videos

2656
01:39:56,870 --> 01:39:55,280
get but i understand it's off topic you

2657
01:39:59,030 --> 01:39:56,880
know other than that i thought we had a

2658
01:40:01,270 --> 01:39:59,040
bang-up week we put out a lot of great

2659
01:40:03,109 --> 01:40:01,280
content more interviews than ever in a

2660
01:40:05,990 --> 01:40:03,119
week and uh we're going to try to

2661
01:40:07,430 --> 01:40:06,000
continue that trend for one more week

2662
01:40:09,189 --> 01:40:07,440
and then we're going to take a step back

2663
01:40:11,350 --> 01:40:09,199
and decide if we're going to do five

2664
01:40:13,430 --> 01:40:11,360
shows a week or if we're going to do

2665
01:40:14,390 --> 01:40:13,440
two or three shows a week whatever works

2666
01:40:15,189 --> 01:40:14,400
best

2667
01:40:17,750 --> 01:40:15,199
for

2668
01:40:19,669 --> 01:40:17,760
the demand that we have i would like

2669
01:40:22,390 --> 01:40:19,679
nothing better i would do 10 shows a

2670
01:40:25,109 --> 01:40:22,400
week if i could if there was the demand

2671
01:40:27,109 --> 01:40:25,119
for it but it really is a matter of

2672
01:40:29,030 --> 01:40:27,119
supply and demand we don't want to over

2673
01:40:30,310 --> 01:40:29,040
supply when when there's not enough

2674
01:40:33,350 --> 01:40:30,320
demand

2675
01:40:35,270 --> 01:40:33,360
um so we're gonna have to do this we're

2676
01:40:37,270 --> 01:40:35,280
gonna do the full court press here for

2677
01:40:39,590 --> 01:40:37,280
you guys for one more week

2678
01:40:41,189 --> 01:40:39,600
so worst case scenario everybody that

2679
01:40:43,510 --> 01:40:41,199
really likes the show gets a bunch of

2680
01:40:45,350 --> 01:40:43,520
new shows and then we go back to our old

2681
01:40:47,189 --> 01:40:45,360
way of doing things which is just a few

2682
01:40:48,830 --> 01:40:47,199
live shows a week

2683
01:40:52,149 --> 01:40:48,840
but i'm hopeful that the numbers are

2684
01:40:53,750 --> 01:40:52,159
gonna an analysis of the numbers with

2685
01:40:56,550 --> 01:40:53,760
this full court press are going to

2686
01:40:58,950 --> 01:40:56,560
reveal to us that you can indeed

2687
01:40:59,669 --> 01:40:58,960
we can indeed do the five shows a week

2688
01:41:04,390 --> 01:40:59,679
and

2689
01:41:07,430 --> 01:41:04,400
loss

2690
01:41:10,070 --> 01:41:07,440
in per video views right

2691
01:41:13,510 --> 01:41:10,080
uh yeah so that's where we're at that's

2692
01:41:15,510 --> 01:41:13,520
the state of uh truth seekers and i also

2693
01:41:18,149 --> 01:41:15,520
want to mention that i've so far for

2694
01:41:21,669 --> 01:41:18,159
patreon i've posted two songs i'm going

2695
01:41:24,070 --> 01:41:21,679
to be doing the uh monthly video journal

2696
01:41:26,790 --> 01:41:24,080
early and we're going to try to

2697
01:41:28,709 --> 01:41:26,800
fit in also a patreon only stream which

2698
01:41:30,229 --> 01:41:28,719
is something that i keep failing at but

2699
01:41:32,950 --> 01:41:30,239
i'm determined we're going to pick a

2700
01:41:34,870 --> 01:41:32,960
time and date and i'll get it going and

2701
01:41:37,189 --> 01:41:34,880
that the link to the stream will be in

2702
01:41:39,189 --> 01:41:37,199
the patreon but again if you're really

2703
01:41:41,030 --> 01:41:39,199
having a tough time just send me a

2704
01:41:42,470 --> 01:41:41,040
message and let me know and i'll put you

2705
01:41:44,790 --> 01:41:42,480
on the list

2706
01:41:47,270 --> 01:41:44,800
to get the link as well

2707
01:41:48,629 --> 01:41:47,280
so that's where we're at friends

2708
01:41:50,629 --> 01:41:48,639
um

2709
01:41:52,390 --> 01:41:50,639
boy there's a lot of stuff that i would

2710
01:41:54,149 --> 01:41:52,400
like to talk about but i don't want to

2711
01:41:56,629 --> 01:41:54,159
cram it into this show

2712
01:42:00,390 --> 01:41:56,639
you know um

2713
01:42:01,830 --> 01:42:00,400
lots of drama rama going on uh and

2714
01:42:04,390 --> 01:42:01,840
i you know you guys know i'm always

2715
01:42:08,550 --> 01:42:04,400
honest and i talk about these things

2716
01:42:09,910 --> 01:42:08,560
very very uh publicly you know

2717
01:42:12,629 --> 01:42:09,920
there's stuff going on and people are

2718
01:42:15,510 --> 01:42:12,639
talking about x y or z or you know but

2719
01:42:17,109 --> 01:42:15,520
uh we'll save that for another time uh

2720
01:42:19,750 --> 01:42:17,119
it's been a very long day i'm gonna

2721
01:42:21,109 --> 01:42:19,760
bounce on out of here you always hear me

2722
01:42:22,709 --> 01:42:21,119
say this friends

2723
01:42:24,709 --> 01:42:22,719
i am always happy when there's an

2724
01:42:26,870 --> 01:42:24,719
audience and thank you for coming here

2725
01:42:28,790 --> 01:42:26,880
tonight and being a part of mine it has

2726
01:42:31,350 --> 01:42:28,800
been my pleasure no place that i would

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rather be than right here with you

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so i want to thank my guest erica luke

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and i want to thank everybody in the

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live chat for attending

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uh make sure that you do go check out

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erica luke's channel

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it's in the description of the video

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let's get her some new subscribers

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friends if you like my work i'm

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promising you you will most likely like

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her and scott's excellent take on things

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so until next time friends my name is

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stephen cambion good night and god bless

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[Music]

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[Applause]